JAV Gossips

[jwlim80]

No time to write out even 1/10 of my thoughts on this. But let's see if I can write a few words with the few minutes left...

First saying: @jwlim80 is again off on his own hyperbole and wild speculation, I could write a big post attacking some of his points. But I won't ... partly because overall, he's not wrong to worry at least a bit.

Until this latest round, I'm more with @paparoach408 and @Inertia the more things change the more they stay the same. All the signs were that the wave of enforcement has peaked, the authority's huffing and puffing is almost over and the industry do a lot of hand-waving to pretend to address the problem. The various lawsuits and cases would still have to wind down but they will.

But this latest round shows the authority has NOT moved on. They are still targeting JAV. And there's a huge question if they are going after only the bad apples or exploiting the bad apples to target the whole JAV enterprise.

Not knowing Japanese myself... but I think jwlim80 totally mistranslated "淫行勧誘罪" and underestimated how worrisome it might be. jwlim80 seems to think "r***" charge would be a next level (more serious) criminal prosecution. But "淫行勧誘罪" is actually more dangerous to the industry then either labor law or r***/sexual assault. I would translate "淫行勧誘罪" as "solicitation for an immoral activity". Why is it much worse than r***? Well if it's labor law violation or r***, then it's clear how the industry can clean up, just get rid of the bad apples and their coercive practice. Make sure the girls understand and give consent and make document of the consent (not just getting a signature on a piece of paper, but to video-tape it). No problem, it's already how the industry is supposed to work. The problem is just some agents bend the rules or violate industry practice. But this "solicitation for an immoral activity" this law that has not been invoked for decades. This means even with perfectly given and documented consent, shooting and selling a JAV is still a crime and an immoral activity.

Today I just read another article from our standard source that the industry is now worried the authority is trying to devolve the industry back to pre-1990s status: simulated sex only. That means Japanese laws would be as strict or even stricter than Taiwan and Hong Kong.

At the risk of sounding like a madman, that is JAV Apocalypse.

I'm not too worry about the overall charge because :-

1) There is no conviction.
2) The scale of the charge is too board.

You defination is not wrong. But going by it, it will mean the fuzouku trade is guilty of it as well. If the cops are serious, they should attack the fuzouku trade as well. But where is the action ?

If you are a fan of the Japanese culture, you should be aware of Osaka's Tobita Shinchi. That place had endure for decades and this is the where the cop should target.

I believe the reason why AV are targetted is because the wide audience reach the videos are getting due to the Internet. With fuzouku, at least it is out of sight, out of mind behind close doors.

 

[ding73ding]

http://www.playno1.com/article-25933-1.html
http://www.playno1.com/article-25958-1.html

Just the scariest part:
When the boss of Diaz Group which is 若月まりあ (Malia Watatuki)'s agency sees the news, he's pretty worried, according to the letters of the law, shooting AV and fuzouku are criminal, no if and or buts. Original quote in Chinese: "以條文規定的內容未來恐怕連AV都不能拍、風俗店也不用開了…"

Now chew that over a bit.

Further concerns/speculation/worry by the agency: any AV genre and themes that inspire the viewers to fantasize about underage girls, e.g. school uniform/sailor suit/school-like building/interior for film sets. The whole loli genre may die an unceremonious death right there. Any pornographic (nipples) imagery will have to disappear from outdoor advertising. 7-Eleven and similar convenience store would not be able to sell adult magazines/hentai manga etc. Meet-and-greet fan events with JAV idols will be scaled back. Photo-shoot events (fans pay a fee for an over-crowded photo session with an AV idols) can not have AV idols in swimsuits (and presumably lingerie, underwear or anything too skimpy or sexy).

There's a speculation it's the old Olympic effects but if it really gets as draconian as some industry people worry about, the AV/adult industry may be looking at a nuclear winter before we can think about a post-Olympic recovery.

Now allow me my own hyperbole: some of the lolicon stuffs, especially in the manga or 2D world, is pretty disgusting, personally I would be happy to see a good fraction of loli culture gets a nuclear cleansing.

For future discussion: the authority targeting all of AV and adult industry, part of it may be kissing up to the Christian conservatives in the West. But I also see a domestic political driving force too. "I guess we will just have to see"

 

[paparoach408]

Now allow me my own hyperbole: some of the lolicon stuffs, especially in the manga or 2D world, is pretty disgusting, personally I would be happy to see a good fraction of loli culture gets a nuclear cleansing.

For future discussion: the authority targeting all of AV and adult industry, part of it may be kissing up to the Christian conservatives in the West. But I also see a domestic political driving force too. "I guess we will just have to see"

I am curious what the loli actresses would do if this occurs, getting there lively hood destroyd over something they can't control, what would studios do market them as little people or something?

but yeah if any of this stuff happens it won't just affect the AV world, there's a lot of questionable stuff in the mainstream will be curious to see how the people who make money off that kind of stuff deal with it, because i'm pretty sure quite a few of them put money into the governments pockets

 

[jwlim80]

I am curious what the loli actresses would do if this occurs, getting there lively hood destroyd over something they can't control, what would studios do market them as little people or something?

There's always them being PPV camgirls on FC2 and going into Fuzouku.

 

[ding73ding]

I am curious what the loli actresses would do if this occurs, getting there lively hood destroyd over something they can't control, what would studios do market them as little people or something?

but yeah if any of this stuff happens it won't just affect the AV world, there's a lot of questionable stuff in the mainstream will be curious to see how the people who make money off that kind of stuff deal with it, because i'm pretty sure quite a few of them put money into the governments pockets

The average career lifespan is under 12 months (my guess) so if (a BIG if) one day we wake up to the news that all loli AV is banned, I think the performers won't take long to adjust.
at least some of them can transform themselves into mainstream AV with just make-up, hairdo, and fashion, and maybe switch to a more grown-up voice/tone when speaking in commercial venue. A few more may choose cosmetic surgery or boob job.

The people who are really going to hurt are the studios/agencies who are in that genre for the long term. But I don't think the number is huge, probably a few hundred men. Won't be enough to make any noise.

Anyway I think the biggest hit will be the 2D world: manga, games, online stuffs. I don't how many manga artists have invested 10+ years to draw little girls in lewd activities. If the authority take that away, can they adjust? If it happens I won't be surprise if more than 1 person takes it to the extreme end (suicide). With human performer you could have them show their ID card and say at least legally she's adult (who looks like 14). But on 2D if someone draw a girl who looks like she's 8 years old getting DP, you can't say well actually she's 21 years old, that won't fly in any court.

 

[jwlim80]

Child porn may have been outlawed in Japan since 2014. But Comics LO which depicts shorts featuring young girls engaging in sex remains in circulation.

Also there was an imitation crime early last summer and the illustrator gets off with a light caution :-

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ne...y-claims-he-was-imitating-dojin-manga/.117488

So I do not forsee any drastic measure aganist fictitious depiction of minor engaging in sex in the near future.

 

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[paparoach408]

the more the numbers go up. The more pre-planned material is released. I bet it will teeter on 9,999 right before the cut-off and they will release some nudes or hardcore-fucking clip and magically this movie will get funded.

I do believe she is selling well but this whole campaign is a gimmick. SOD has some crafty people in marketing.

Not a bad gimmick and probably a very good test, let fan support decide when someone debuts. Regardless she’ll debut you won’t just bring a girl in and do all this just to tell her bye, it’s just all about when

 

[Inertia]

No way in hell she doesn't already have a video(s) filmed. No woman's going to put her face out in this industry just to test the waters. It's a cool campaign for sure, but just like most censored creampie, I wouldn't count on it being authentic.

 

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[silent1one]

http://www.playno1.com/article-26003-1.html
Rola takizawa aka misaki laura seems to be degraded/humiliated, blackmailed, and physically beaten because she owes a lot of money? Some people speculated is her without makeup and she also made false headline for being paid to be some rich Chinese businessman mistress a few years ago. She's still fairly active on Weibo and Facebook posting her event and news photos. No twitter or instagram. Also, That's the dark side of working in the entertainment industry especially the lewd ones. It's like one of the case girls that are young, naive, arrogant/egoistic diva that happens to also be big spender on luxury until they lost their popularity and money. There are few that fallen to drugs to keep them going on and kind of a double edge sword. Not all of them turns out fine at least on the outside like sora Aoi and Maria Ozawa with their investments and ongoing fame even after they're taken and growing old.

 

[paparoach408]

^well if that is her she fucked up big time

 

[silent1one]

^well if that is her she fucked up big time

Found the two short clips

I heard she used to be one of those asmr/seductive meme like youtuber before becoming an av idol. Her Russian side and smooth white skin attracted a lot of fans and unlike other mixed like rio, Maria, tia, okia, or Saori, she's kind of tall, but petite at the same time. Just mean you're popular now with fans event doesn't mean you'll always be on the good side of the rich businessmen and I'm speculating she might have kick out of favor literally. It would sucks if she gets r*** for real or sold off to pay off her debts. It's just happen to be that she's popular, so we know and might also be a warning for her. There are a lot of cases like that in china with celebrities and even regular girls. Of course, there are the ones where the rich and famous spike up some drinks and threaten them with no disclosure agreement.

 

[silent1one]

^well if that is her she fucked up big time

She was doing so good so far with events, micro movies, and other media stuffs. https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/泷泽萝拉/?hl=en
https://www.facebook.com/MisakiRola
https://m.youtube.com/watch?ebc=ANy...WA9-zaheTpdqlgVph8-YqXT-usCtoKw&v=t_ct7Q9ofis

 

[silent1one]

Rola is a halfie, sadly in Japan quite often halfie's are treated unfairly and degraded etc. They are looked down on by many.

This happen in china I think. I think she's working in shanghai nowadays and shanghai is on par with tokyo and New York in term of lifestyle. Also, Chinese sort of have that anti Japanese mindset especially the older folks that aren't like in to the otaku stuff and is empowering them to be superior to those that looked down and humiliated them in the past like Taiwanese, Hong Kong people, and Japanese because of politic.

 

[silent1one]

Keep spreading that American propaganda.

Japan and Taiwan have an amazing relationship. Japan helped them gain independence.

Japan also helped Singapore and Hong Kong gain independence.

The Chinese don't hate Japanese people either, this is divisive American propaganda just like when Americans who split Korea by occupation keep trying to tell the SK people that they hate the NK people and aren't even the same race. Yet the SK people want to talk to NK and want to rejoin just as the Vietnamese did.

China is a huge consumer of JAV also, more JAV is downloaded (illegally) from China than even Japan.

It range from people to people. Also, I'm speaking on experience. I've seen quite a few rude Chinese tourists crowding the tourist spots in Japan and they speak some bulgur stuffs because they have money now. Also, the japanese working there kind of took it since they're trying to keep it respectful. Chinese is a big spender on foreign products ranging from luxury to small product because a lot of the mindset of Chinese goods are cheap and unsafe. Yes, most factories are in china, but they chose to buy foreign goods. Oh yeah, no more politics here, okay?

 

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[paparoach408]

Ex SKE48 AV DEBUT 2018 rumor.
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which one? I can't read japanese

 

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[Supmop]

Keep spreading that American propaganda.

Japan and Taiwan have an amazing relationship. Japan helped them gain independence.

Japan also helped Singapore and Hong Kong gain independence.

The Chinese don't hate Japanese people either, this is divisive American propaganda just like when Americans who split Korea by occupation keep trying to tell the SK people that they hate the NK people and aren't even the same race. Yet the SK people want to talk to NK and want to rejoin just as the Vietnamese did.

China is a huge consumer of JAV also, more JAV is downloaded (illegally) from China than even Japan.

what I bold its true, however in red color is very funny

movies like Fist of Fury was american propaganda ?