JAV VR: News, comments about releases, recommendations, hardware

currently my XBVR has around 1500~ VR movies and around 30TB
:eek: Mental, haha. A titan of a collection. I have a few things to consider regarding my setup. All in due time. Won't ponder for too long right now.

If you just want to play videos having a powerful setup is actually not necessary as all Geforce 2xxx/3xxx are able to play 8k videos without any issues, as they do have the same video encoder. Quest 2 also has a chip specially designed for playing 8k content (Qualcomm XR2). I did use supersampling on my Odyssey+ as well back then, and wasnt really impressed (differs from Walle12's experience)
Good to know. I'll stick with the Quest in that case, as I am not currently in the market for a new laptop or pc rig.
I did notice certain disagreements in this thread regarding the efficacy of certain settings within VR. Must be rather subjective I suppose.

The Problem with tethered VR is that its mostly a dying market as most companies go for standalone VR. The only positive side is that you could get large FOV headsets like Pimax (but they do require a lot of tweaking and are quite expensive). Most other, more affordable, VR headsets are either discontinued like the Odyssey+ or not really much better than the Quest2, such as the Reverb G2.
I'll stick with simplicity then. Best not to shoot for goals too lofty when I have yet to set sail.

So my advice for you would be, as you are not in a hurry and concious about spending to much:
Wait till fall for the Quest 3 release and get a new/used Quest 2 at that time, and as i said if would save the 100$/euros price difference and go for the small model as for that kind of money you could easily get another 5TB harddrive, because once you are hooked you want more content, and especially given 8k videos, you would need a lot of storage space.
Getting a device with larger storage would only make sense to me if you want to use it a lot when travelling.
:) Sweet. I'll take your advice as it appeals to my pragmatic nature. I have no intentions of travelling, so I'll turn to external storage instead. I'm very particular about the JAV I save, so I doubt I'll ever reach your numbers in this lifetime, haha. Seeing as the Quest 2 supports 8k, it should be relatively future-proof. Any further advances in video quality, if I fancy, may require an upgrade. No issue. I'll wait for the Quest 3 to release before I make my final judgement, just to be on the safe side.

Thank you Tim and Walle for the advice. Won't derail the thread any longer - back to VR JAV! :D
 
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I have heard many opinions regarding the approach each studio takes to VR - looking forward to seeing for myself. KMPVR does seem to produce a ton of titles, many seemingly uninspired and formulaic - probably not an issue for those who like a certain genre or performer.

Looking forward to comparing the differences between 4k and 8k. These titles look promising, with many more to come (fingers crossed). VR is the sort of content I'd be more than happy to purchase with my own money. I also look forward to seeing the difference between older titles (around 2019) to newer, and whether they deserve a place in one's collection.
 
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...the 8k videos are already on torrent so i expect them to be available on other plattforms really soon..
just quoting myself here. I was curious whether the files are actually in 8k, so i partly downloaded some of the files and checked the resolution. Unfortunately they were in 4k. I really hope they find a way to get access to the 8k files somehow.

I noticed that afesta added some information pages for 8k releases ( https://www.afesta.tv/vr/takumi_project/ ) but so far just that DPVR releases are in there. Hopefully more releases will be added soon.

Besides that there is a new release from RESOREVO 8KVR announced for next week (first 8k threesome)

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also S1 No.1 (SIVR) released two 8k movies today:

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WOW, that 8k SIVR titles look promising... :cinta:

The problem with getting them DRM-free is that people are using Chrome plugins and other apps that only capture at 4K. Until someone develops a system to capture at 8K, we're not going to be able to watch them at this resolution.... :(

It's absurd that in 2023 DRM is still being used, it's useless. If DMM would remove DRM and allow downloads like A Festa does, it would sell more. There are a lot of people who are willing to pay but not for products with DRM or just streaming, because people use their own players like HereSphere, not the ones from the stores, which are awful.
 
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Does 2D JAV still have utility in your world? I wonder if the voyeuristic, performative style of non-VR JAV is worth keeping a hold of. A personal decision I suppose.. Wish to hear how you approach this. Can see myself sticking solely with 3D; removing oneself from the conveyor belt of traditional JAV must be an odd feeling at first. If VR hits the spot then FOMO shouldn't be an issue. I've been discontent with 2D JAV for the longest while, yet still apprehensive to drop it completely. FOMO is rather illogical in nature. Certain camera angles and positions in 2D are very potent, almost hypnotising. VR seems to have its own special positions that I'm looking forward to experiencing.

14 titles now, 292GB. Some abandoned, some gained. Have a 256GB SSD of external storage lying around - seems it will come in use sooner than expected.
 
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My 2D porn use is almost non-existent in the last 3 years. It has been reduced to a few genres that barely exist in VR, like some lesbian title, or some movie with a mature I like. Around 5% of what I watch.

Standard 2D porn no longer interest me at all. I'm not a voyeur so I'm not attracted to watching other guys with girls on a small flat screen anymore, since VR exists. For me it's much more exciting the feeling of it's you there, first person, with the girls, instead of others.
 
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The problem with getting them DRM-free is that people are using Chrome plugins and other apps that only capture at 4K. Until someone develops a system to capture at 8K, we're not going to be able to watch them at this resolution.... :(

It's absurd that in 2023 DRM is still being used, it's useless. If DMM would remove DRM and allow downloads like A Festa does, it would sell more. There are a lot of people who are willing to pay but not for products with DRM or just streaming, because people use their own players like HereSphere, not the ones from the stores, which are awful.
I think people are using some kind of modified phone to extract the files. What gives me hope is that the free 8k sample from FANZA was available in 8k though, so there's got to be a way.

Totally agree on DRM. In 2D the player doesnt really better but in VR its so different and experience between a good player and a bad player differs so much.


Does 2D JAV still have utility in your world? I wonder if the voyeuristic, performative style of non-VR JAV is worth keeping a hold of. A personal decision I suppose.. Wish to hear how you approach this. Can see myself sticking solely with 3D; removing oneself from the conveyor belt of traditional JAV must be an odd feeling at first. If VR hits the spot then FOMO shouldn't be an issue. I've been discontent with 2D JAV for the longest while, yet still apprehensive to drop it completely. FOMO is rather illogical in nature. Certain camera angles and positions in 2D are very potent, almost hypnotising. VR seems to have its own special positions that I'm looking forward to experiencing.

14 titles now, 292GB. Some abandoned, some gained. Have a 256GB SSD of external storage lying around - seems it will come in use sooner than expected.
As my path is a little bit different then most people here i dont know if its helpful.
Havent really watched JAV before VR and basically came from western VR porn to JAV VR, as production quality is so much better. Only after watching a lot of 3D JAV i started watching some 2D JAV as well.

For me 2D and 3D JAV are completely different but both have its pro and con.

2D:
(+)amount of content is much bigger than 3D movies
(+)more variety: due to the high number of videos you find almost every kink possible
(+)not being limited to POV gives the producer a lot more freedom (interaction, scene setting, music, male performers can speak...). In 3D its mostly happening in a static scene and the male performers are not interacting besides rare hand gestures. Moving scenes are very minimal as many people are getting motion sickness from that

(-)it's just porn


3D:
(+)its not porn, its more like a sex simulation. At least thats how it feels to me and its the biggest hook for 3D JAV. Wearing the Headset and feeling what you are watching is a real experience is so mindblowing to experience.
(+)intimacy: in 3D JAV due to to the POV position and the eye contact with the performer its a lot easier to create intimacy.

(-)amount of content is not as diverse as 2D jav, but if compared with western VR it is very diverse.
(-)because i see it more like a simulation than porn, i became much more picky in having everything set up as realistic as possible. things like having a realistic contract/color grading is something that i never worried about in 2D, but in 3D whenever my brain sense like something is "off" and not being realistic, it affects my experience. Most things (colors, scaling..) can be fixed in a good player like Heresphere, but video resolution is still an issue. Even 8k content is not as crystal clear as a 2D video.
 
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Fantastic. I appreciate both of your viewpoints, very insightful. Sticking to your niche seems the best way to go.

Some 3D JAV cons/concerns are pros in my eyes, such as limited content. POV in and of itself is my favourite genre; erotic teasing, traditional sex, lesbian, blow - 3D has a sizeable pool of content to select from. Limited, but all appealing. My small collection already brings more satisfaction than the 40+ 2D videos I had prior, dwindled now to 6 and possibly all to be erased in due time.

Don't want to hark on too much about VR before experiencing it. Curious to see if the default experience will be enough or whether I will long for higher quality resolution and tweaks to enhance immersion. Wonder if open-back headphones provide a more immersive experience than closed back.

I also wonder whether those in Japan who primarily use their phones and a headset long for a better experience.

To add: sound design can make or break a video. Noticed that sound design pre-2021 was rather poor, akin to filming in a large tin can. Have little complaints with modern content. Glad they've made improvements to this integral area of immersion. Poor acoustics seemed to plague most studios in the past.

KMPVR has a ton of fetish-type videos that I'd like to eventually get my hands on. Glad to hear they do not use that pesky DRM.
 
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In 2D the player doesnt really better but in VR its so different and experience between a good player and a bad player differs so much.
Exactly. In 2D the player does not matter, in VR it is night and day. With store players VRs look like a DVD.

For me 2D and 3D JAV are completely different but both have its pro and con.
Completely agree with your pros and cons. In my case, I can live with POV alone, that's why I hardly watch flat porn. I'm not much of a fetishist either, I actually like conventional sex with a girl in a bed, and there's plenty of that in VR, so it's more tha enough for me.... :)

Even 8k content is not as crystal clear as a 2D video.

This comment surprises me. I've never owned a Quest 2, but with Odyssey Plus which even have a little less resolution than Quest 2, on PC with a RTX 3070Ti graphics card using HereSphere with MSAA supersampling at 2X, Steam VR with 200% resolution, I see the VRs at 4K almost like a Blu-ray, and the 8K, equal or better than a Bluray. I see them perfectly sharp (except those with poor image quality, of course). I've even defined some 8K titles as "real life resolution", because I see them almost like real life...

I don't see VRs blurry or with poor sharpness, I'm surprised by your comment...

POV in and of itself is my favourite genre; from erotic teasing, to traditional sex,
Then VR is your home... :) You will enjoy it very much. The great strength of VR is precisely the intimacy and eroticism of POV.


KMPVR has a ton of fetish-type videos that I'd like to eventually get my hands on. Glad to hear they do not use that pesky DRM

Yes, you can buy KMP and some othe studios like SOD VR at A Festa without DRM, you can download an use where you want. I have bought more than 200 VRs at this store, all perfect.
 
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This comment surprises me. I've never owned a Quest 2, but with Odyssey Plus which even have a little less resolution than Quest 2, on PC with a RTX 3070Ti graphics card using HereSphere with MSAA supersampling at 2X, Steam VR with 200% resolution, I see the VRs at 4K almost like a Blu-ray, and the 8K, equal or better than a Bluray. I see them perfectly sharp (except those with poor image quality, of course). I've even defined some 8K titles as "real life resolution", because I see them almost like real life...

I don't see VRs blurry or with poor sharpness, I'm surprised by your comment...
For me its two aspects:
For once 3D videos (no matter how high the resolution) will always be or at least feel less sharp than a 2d video (i read an article about that once, but cannot find it at the moment. it has something to do with the two images never perfectly align). Current videos are pretty good, but if you compare to a 2d video in 1080p or higher it is sharper.

The second aspect is sharpness especially things further away from the camera. When i watch a scene, i like to tune it with the setting. Especially for 4k JAV you can clearly see that the background (walls, furtniture) is far from being sharp and showing details. Even with CzechVR's 8k video the background is not crystal clear to me. I watched a sample video from that FXG 12k camera and that being said starting from that resolution it gets a lot better (so i guess it needs 12k/16k that i would be satisfied with the overall resolution ;) ). Luckily JAV is mostly being filmed close to the camera, so the overall sharpness of most relevant things is good, although when performers are to far from the camera (much more prevalent in western VR) it clearly isnt really sharp.

I've tried many different things regarding sharpness (using supersampling, sharpening in the players, AI upscaling with Topaz) but for me its the details that are missing, so resolution is something that would help in there. I am very excited for the new 8k JAV and i guess the issue is reduced a lot. But well maybe its complaining on a very high level.

I'm glad your perception of the current videos is good so far, i wish i could feel the same.
 
This divide in opinions is intriguing. I wonder what the general sentiment of VR JAV consumers is, seeing as most online (a miniscule community of VR fans) are very analytical, tending to pick apart each detail (guilty of that myself). It seems that a good number are content with the current state of VR, even using the lesser variant of mobile phone VR, whereas others yearn for a continued advancement of industry standards.

The average person, I'd wager, doesn't focus much on clarity or the more technical side of things, but rather is satisfied with the product as is. I see nothing wrong with either approach. Guess it depends on your interests and what you wish to derive from this medium. Great to be along for the ride regardless.
 
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was able to try some of the 8k videos:
the jump in resolution is clearly visible and much improved from the 4k videos. I am happy to see this resolution (hopefully) becoming the new standard, as finally even action further away from the camera (such as a BJ in a normal position) is quite clearly visible.
On the downside you can clearly see that this is a different camera. While clarity is good, colors and skin do look flat somehow. I think i need to get used to it and/or need to adjust my Heresphere color profiles for these 8k videos. Its something i noticed already in that free sample video from last year.

In some japanese blogs it has been mentioned that too much detail could also have a negative effect and i think i understand that now. The image is more clear, so skin irritations are more visible. That little blurryness in 4k is a lot more forgiving in that matter.

I also get the feeling that producers are not yet so confident with that camera as there werent too many scenes closer to the camera (this is where its easy to mess up). But i guess by the time they will get much better and more confident.

While i didnt notice a difference to the Sample scene from last year, it is quite shocking that in some videos average bitrate goes down to 10-15 Mbit. While H265 is a different codec than h264 in the 4k videos, i dont get it why they have to go that low.
 
NHVR-042 was binned due to the guy being very audible in the first scene. Didn't appear as if he was trying to be silent. Very annoying. Was looking forward to experiencing that in VR. VRKM-878 was binned due to a similar reason, though the breathing was less apparent on lower volume. A very simple thing that can ruin the entire experience. Would be great if they could replace the man with a functioning robot but alas technology hasn't advanced that far just yet. :(

Gone through most relevant studio catalogues now. Have 15 videos in total, cut down from 20 (5 flawed). Good porn in general is hard come by, JAV VR even more so. Will be a while until a new addition is added to the collection. Will hold off buying a headset until I am certain the purchase won't be wasted.

Need to take a long break from porn in general. Have spent too much time researching and downloading 2D porn over the last 4-5 years - now I'd rather not watch that stuff, which leaves a sour taste in my mouth. VR seems awesome, though jumping straight into it seems unwise. All just porn after all, so shouldn't let it affect my mood so drastically.
 
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I have tested some of the videos at 8K. The improvement in definition is spectacular. The girls are even more real, it's like having them next to you. The feeling of "presence" is much improved.
At 4K you sometimes have the feeling of being inside a video, but at 8K everything is much more erotic because the girls look even more real.

It is a very important leap in JAV VR, let's hope that all studios are using these cameras. Looking forward to seeing my favorite actresses in 8K.

While clarity is good, colors and skin do look flat somehow.
Hmm... That's not my feeling... On the contrary, I see the colors of the skins more natural, in many movies in 4K they sometimes looked too reddish or orange...


In some japanese blogs it has been mentioned that too much detail could also have a negative effect and i think i understand that now. The image is more clear, so skin irritations are more visible. That little blurryness in 4k is a lot more forgiving in that matter.
I don't understand this criticism of the Japanese. The "too real is bad" is nonsense.. Of course, the more definition you have, the more you can see the irregularities of the skin. As it should be. They are real women, not dolls.

But that's not a defect, it's real life. If those Japanese blogs don't like it, then use the 4K version. But you can't ask the studios to make the 8K version more blurred to hide the flaws in the girls' skin...

As for what you say about the bitrate, it is true that it is quite low. It's a bit noticeable in the black and red backgrounds, which pixelate a bit. Let's hope they improve this issue.

I am very happy with these first 8K movies, it's a very important improvement. Now the hard part is to go back to 4K videos...
 
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Of this first batch of 8K videos, for me the best are the Moodz ones, with varied scenes and top-down missionary (where you are face to face and see the whole body, and the penetration).

The S1 ones are also very good. The IP VR ones lack the aforementioned top-down missionary, just like the Resorevo titles.

I don't know who makes this label, Resorevo, but I'm pretty sure it's KMP. They have their boring setup and slow-sex style where the girls barely move.
For example in RSVR-002 with Ichika Matsumoto, there is a good seduction scene and a good face-to-face cowgirl, but you don't see her back o butt in all the movie, no reverse cowgirl or doggy.... And the missionary, from far away. Too lazy and boring, for me it's KMP or a team working for them.
 
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Hmm... That's not my feeling... On the contrary, I see the colors of the skins more natural, in many movies in 4K they sometimes looked too reddish or orange...
I think you are right about the colors being more skin-like. 4k JAV almost always had some kind of reddish coloring to it, so i have saturation just for red reduced by 10-15%. I think i got used to that coloring. In comparison the 8k videos do feel more realistic but somehow not so livid. But i think its just a matter of time that i will get used to it.



I don't understand this criticism of the Japanese. The "too real is bad" is nonsense.. Of course, the more definition you have, the more you can see the irregularities of the skin. As it should be. They are real women, not dolls.

But that's not a defect, it's real life. If those Japanese blogs don't like it, then use the 4K version. But what can't be asked is that the studios make the 8K version more blurred to hide the flaws in the girls' skin...
I agree to at least to some degree: not having perfect skin adds realism and is a good thing, but i still hope that studios adapt a little bit to it (i think it was in MDVR-239 that there a lot of pimples visible on the male actor and in the genital area of the girl.) Its something that is just more noticable and just need to be considered in the make-up. For far cameras were just not sharp enough to make things like that visible.
Having softening in postproduction is something i would be against as it would counteract the increase in sharpness from the 8k cameras.


As for what you say about the bitrate, it is true that it is quite low. It's a bit noticeable in the black and red backgrounds, which pixelate a bit. Let's hope they improve this issue.

I've been very happy with these first 8K movies, it's a very important improvement. Now the hard part is to go back to 4K videos...
I fully understand if they will not go the same way as CzechVR (80Mbit+) as it would make content not streamable anymore, but going down to 10Mbit (while 4k videos have 30Mbit quite often), is a bit extreme.

Of this first batch of 8K videos, for me the best are the Moodz ones, with varied scenes and top-down missionary (where you are face to face and see the whole body, and the penetration).

The S1 ones are also very good. The IP VR ones lack the aforementioned top-dow missionary, just like the Resorevo titles.

I don't know who makes this label, Resorevo, but I'm pretty sure it's KMP. It has their boring setup and slow-sex style where the girls barely move.
For example in RSVR-002 with Ichika Matsumoto, there is a good seduction scene and a good face-to-face cowgirl, but you don't see her back o butt in all movie, no reverse cowgirl or doggy.... And the missionary, from far away. Too lazy and boring, for me, it's KMP or a team working for them.
Most of the Resorevo videos (including the one you mentioned) were produced by Quatchy (https://www.dmm.co.jp/digital/video...ice=vr/id=111209/limit=120/sort=release_date/) . Most of his work is for Koala VR (KIWVR), SOD and KMPVR. I know that he is quite popular and scored pretty well on sugoi-VR awards.
Most of the other 8k videos were produced by ZAMPA (also a very know producer https://www.dmm.co.jp/digital/video...ice=vr/id=108180/limit=120/sort=release_date/ ). He produced most for IPVR, SIVR and KAVR. Maybe you should check out RSRVR-003 and RSRVR-004 as they may have a different style than the other RSRVR videos.

Initialy i was quite excited to see one of the 8k videos (MDVR-241) being directed by Yazawa Receive (former SOD director), but i have to admit i was not really blown away, as camera perspectives in his other videos were always on point, but i guess we have to give these guys some time to get used to the new cameras.
 
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I agree with you that the issue of skin imperfections, should be solved with makeup, not blurring the video. It is true that in 8K they will have to pay more attention to the makeup.

Thanks for the Resorevo data. In the end, there are specialized teams that do work for all the labels. In these early works, it has reminded me a lot of the KMP titles.

What I miss in these Resovevo titles to make them purchasable for me, is the top-down missionary. In all their 8K films I have watched the missionary is far away. And also, that the sex scenes should be a little more dynamic, in some of them they barely move...

I liked MDVR-241, at least it has more varied scenes than other 8K titles. But as you say, it's not the best work of Yazawa Receive. He is still working on SOD I think, yesterday he released a title with SOD VR, He has released several this year. But he has lost his style, now he uses more conventional camera shots, and farther away. I don't like his works this year.
 
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I have been reading comments from people with Quest 2 that they don't notice much difference between 4K and 8K, @tim-o-tea. Maybe that's what happens to you. As I said, I do notice the difference on PC VR using 150% supersampling and MSAA 2X. Like to change from DVD to Blu-ray or 1080p to 4K.
 
The Apple Vision Pro, if it's really as good as they say especially when it comes to tracking, is going to break insane new grounds for porn and cybersex. They could have AI models for you to fuck, or at the very least, have people roleplay in their desired look, celebrity or otherwise. That tech is already here and made huge strides in the past 6 months, you can imagine how good it's going to get when the Vision Pro gets released next year. AR prostitution is totally gonna be a thing lol.