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I believe her prominence as a pornstar was causing her issues of getting certain business to her Youtube channel. So she requested all her stuff get pulled basically. Her entire name and brand was built on her career in JAV. She exploited herself to get where she is at.
As for S.P.C. I believe they do not really operate under the mainstream AV umbrella of IPPA so they don't give a fuck. They don't even sell their new titles on DMM anymore, they sell it on Duga. I would guess that is the reason you still see Asfur titles of her.
I don't think having her porn on legit platforms hurt AiU from getting a YT. I think she delisted just for wanting more control of her image (and to hell with the studios who spent hundreds of thousands getting her to where she is today, apparently).
Thanks. That sounds more like a legit business decision. It doesn’t sound like someone has been „exploited“ in the sense of being forced to do stuff she didn’t want or got screwed on pay. Circumstances change. So do business considerations.
Lol i saw this in a porno today. This is new to me, so maybe people are being forced to do this stuff. i know there a huge trafficking problem one wants to address. I know in some loli porn or incest porn there seems to be a disclaimer when the movie start, I wonder if it's saying the same thing.
Logically speaking, the legal clauses included in that legislation with respect to contracts and procedures are laughable and will likely end up making a bunch of lawyers very rich, while leaving talent right back where they started (And possibly even underpaid, but that depends).
Legislating the ability of a performer to not be accountable for their own actions and any repercussions associated with said actions is beyond absurd. Porn will never be socially acceptable as work outside of certain circles. I love porn, and I have no problem with performers, but that is the way it is within society. Anyone who wants to argue the point, I don't care. That is just the way it is. Same as the market, you can take your position, but you can't fight the market.
You can't choose to be in a porn movie, then decide it hurts your image, and go back to the stakeholders that invested considerable resources in said movie, and tell them, "Hey, my mom's friend saw my movie and now my mom thinks I am a whore and told my whole family, so you need to stop selling this movie".
As for incidents like Yakuza run host clubs that allow hot girls to come in on credit, run up huge bills, then be in the position of having to pay them back...Sign this agreement and make a few movies with us, you will just have to strip a bit...or suck 10 dicks in a row while some meth head fucks you for a few hours. But hey, your debt will be clear!
Is the woman on drugs? Is she legally able to sign the contract? Is she being coerced? Is she totally into it and realizes that making money this way is much easier and faster than a real job? Is it some combination of these factors? Did she wake up 3 years later and realize she could capitalize on her "Story" in order to achieve some end that benefits her personally (Considering how most of the "accounts" are anecdotal, kinda makes you wonder...).
I find it hard to believe that these incidents represent more than an extremely statistically insignificant amount of performers within the industry. I also find it hard to believe that bait and switch practices are sooooo widespread to warrant this sort of knee jerk, poorly thought out response.
If that shit did go down, even in small numbers, and was not prosecuted or even investigated, I can't say that is right. However, this does NOTHING to fix that dynamic. Nothing!
This pretty much sums up that train wreck they are calling "legislation". If they did some extensive study that documented past a reasonable doubt that 40% of industry participants were being outright "Exploited" by current industry contracting/shooting/back end practices, I would still hate this but logically speaking would understand, especially if it was done properly and in a way that would actually protect the performers (Which in this form, it is not).
There are no studies or meaningful statistics, aside from a bunch of loud, annoying alarmist accounts that are clearly designed and replicated to push the cause, rather than define the scope of the problem, and work to solve the actual problem.
Most of this "Call for reform" is likely politicians running scared and trying to save face over a non-problem that has been magnified and reframed ad nauseum to induce a fervor, which has clearly gained critical mass.
Agreed. This is a speed bump, but like any legislation, it is 100% contingent upon enforcement. If they leave it up to some underfunded govt agency with no ability to take action in any regard, these laws will end up being something for said politicians to point to when anyone criticizes them for "Not doing enough to protect performers" in the future.
Japan has much bigger problems than what is going on in the AV industry, and I say that with the utmost respect for Japan, as a country I greatly admire.
In the context of this discussion though, what is more important from the perspective of top Japanese lawmakers, economic issues, security issues, or protecting porn performers from their own decisions?
Another great point.
What an ungrateful hack. However, the enjoyment I get out of watching her vomit cum into a towel (In her 100 loads title) and creampied by a bunch of old sweaty men back to back for well over an hour (Knight's Visual) just increased considerably. Change that image bitch!
I remember Marica Hase talking about she was always doted on when on set in Japan, but was shocked at how she was treated in the US, as she felt like she was slumming (She put it very respectfully, but the meaning was clear).
The problems in the US are FAR FAR worse than in Japan yet the sensationalists and industry war mongers could care less, they just want to help themselves, even if the talent is left in no better shape than before.
Great bunch of points here. Even if the govt did make some attempt at "enforcement", I can see some well connected lawyers getting together and offering retainer agreements, so if any talent try and execute on any contract provisions the studio's don't like (Especially pulling the titles), they file lawsuits and tie the matters up in court for years. The govt claims plausible deniability, the studios protect their interests (Let's face it, this is ALL ABOUT $$$ in the end), and any unruly talent will be excommunicated for life from all aspects of the industry.
Kawaii - if we went onto the "I spout radical feminist talking points from my moral high ground because my father didn't love me" thread and talked this kind of hilarious smack, Taako would probably call the police.
I thought Taaki was joking for a while, because that shit is just funny, especially considering the venue and audience.
The individuals, many in this thread and within Akiba orbit, who pour money in the JAV industry because we love it, do far far more for the economic success and well being of industry talent than any of the detractors who show up from time to time, or this ridiculous bunch of legal crap they call legislation.
Taaki, put your money where your mouth is and start buying some raunchy ass titles! Support your girls like I supported this ungrateful twat:
Legislating the ability of a performer to not be accountable for their own actions and any repercussions associated with said actions is beyond absurd. Porn will never be socially acceptable as work outside of certain circles. I love porn, and I have no problem with performers, but that is the way it is within society. Anyone who wants to argue the point, I don't care. That is just the way it is. Same as the market, you can take your position, but you can't fight the market.
You can't choose to be in a porn movie, then decide it hurts your image, and go back to the stakeholders that invested considerable resources in said movie, and tell them, "Hey, my mom's friend saw my movie and now my mom thinks I am a whore and told my whole family, so you need to stop selling this movie".
As for incidents like Yakuza run host clubs that allow hot girls to come in on credit, run up huge bills, then be in the position of having to pay them back...Sign this agreement and make a few movies with us, you will just have to strip a bit...or suck 10 dicks in a row while some meth head fucks you for a few hours. But hey, your debt will be clear!
Is the woman on drugs? Is she legally able to sign the contract? Is she being coerced? Is she totally into it and realizes that making money this way is much easier and faster than a real job? Is it some combination of these factors? Did she wake up 3 years later and realize she could capitalize on her "Story" in order to achieve some end that benefits her personally (Considering how most of the "accounts" are anecdotal, kinda makes you wonder...).
I find it hard to believe that these incidents represent more than an extremely statistically insignificant amount of performers within the industry. I also find it hard to believe that bait and switch practices are sooooo widespread to warrant this sort of knee jerk, poorly thought out response.
If that shit did go down, even in small numbers, and was not prosecuted or even investigated, I can't say that is right. However, this does NOTHING to fix that dynamic. Nothing!
This pretty much sums up that train wreck they are calling "legislation". If they did some extensive study that documented past a reasonable doubt that 40% of industry participants were being outright "Exploited" by current industry contracting/shooting/back end practices, I would still hate this but logically speaking would understand, especially if it was done properly and in a way that would actually protect the performers (Which in this form, it is not).
There are no studies or meaningful statistics, aside from a bunch of loud, annoying alarmist accounts that are clearly designed and replicated to push the cause, rather than define the scope of the problem, and work to solve the actual problem.
Most of this "Call for reform" is likely politicians running scared and trying to save face over a non-problem that has been magnified and reframed ad nauseum to induce a fervor, which has clearly gained critical mass.
Agreed. This is a speed bump, but like any legislation, it is 100% contingent upon enforcement. If they leave it up to some underfunded govt agency with no ability to take action in any regard, these laws will end up being something for said politicians to point to when anyone criticizes them for "Not doing enough to protect performers" in the future.
Japan has much bigger problems than what is going on in the AV industry, and I say that with the utmost respect for Japan, as a country I greatly admire.
In the context of this discussion though, what is more important from the perspective of top Japanese lawmakers, economic issues, security issues, or protecting porn performers from their own decisions?
Another great point.
What an ungrateful hack. However, the enjoyment I get out of watching her vomit cum into a towel (In her 100 loads title) and creampied by a bunch of old sweaty men back to back for well over an hour (Knight's Visual) just increased considerably. Change that image bitch!
I remember Marica Hase talking about she was always doted on when on set in Japan, but was shocked at how she was treated in the US, as she felt like she was slumming (She put it very respectfully, but the meaning was clear).
The problems in the US are FAR FAR worse than in Japan yet the sensationalists and industry war mongers could care less, they just want to help themselves, even if the talent is left in no better shape than before.
Great bunch of points here. Even if the govt did make some attempt at "enforcement", I can see some well connected lawyers getting together and offering retainer agreements, so if any talent try and execute on any contract provisions the studio's don't like (Especially pulling the titles), they file lawsuits and tie the matters up in court for years. The govt claims plausible deniability, the studios protect their interests (Let's face it, this is ALL ABOUT $$$ in the end), and any unruly talent will be excommunicated for life from all aspects of the industry.
Kawaii - if we went onto the "I spout radical feminist talking points from my moral high ground because my father didn't love me" thread and talked this kind of hilarious smack, Taako would probably call the police.
I thought Taaki was joking for a while, because that shit is just funny, especially considering the venue and audience.
The individuals, many in this thread and within Akiba orbit, who pour money in the JAV industry because we love it, do far far more for the economic success and well being of industry talent than any of the detractors who show up from time to time, or this ridiculous bunch of legal crap they call legislation.
Taaki, put your money where your mouth is and start buying some raunchy ass titles! Support your girls like I supported this ungrateful twat:
I'll ask you to keep my name out of your attention-seeking mouth. Or things will start to get bad here.Logically speaking, the legal clauses included in that legislation with respect to contracts and procedures are laughable and will likely end up making a bunch of lawyers very rich, while leaving talent right back where they started (And possibly even underpaid, but that depends).
Legislating the ability of a performer to not be accountable for their own actions and any repercussions associated with said actions is beyond absurd. Porn will never be socially acceptable as work outside of certain circles. I love porn, and I have no problem with performers, but that is the way it is within society. Anyone who wants to argue the point, I don't care. That is just the way it is. Same as the market, you can take your position, but you can't fight the market.
You can't choose to be in a porn movie, then decide it hurts your image, and go back to the stakeholders that invested considerable resources in said movie, and tell them, "Hey, my mom's friend saw my movie and now my mom thinks I am a whore and told my whole family, so you need to stop selling this movie".
As for incidents like Yakuza run host clubs that allow hot girls to come in on credit, run up huge bills, then be in the position of having to pay them back...Sign this agreement and make a few movies with us, you will just have to strip a bit...or suck 10 dicks in a row while some meth head fucks you for a few hours. But hey, your debt will be clear!
Is the woman on drugs? Is she legally able to sign the contract? Is she being coerced? Is she totally into it and realizes that making money this way is much easier and faster than a real job? Is it some combination of these factors? Did she wake up 3 years later and realize she could capitalize on her "Story" in order to achieve some end that benefits her personally (Considering how most of the "accounts" are anecdotal, kinda makes you wonder...).
I find it hard to believe that these incidents represent more than an extremely statistically insignificant amount of performers within the industry. I also find it hard to believe that bait and switch practices are sooooo widespread to warrant this sort of knee jerk, poorly thought out response.
If that shit did go down, even in small numbers, and was not prosecuted or even investigated, I can't say that is right. However, this does NOTHING to fix that dynamic. Nothing!
This pretty much sums up that train wreck they are calling "legislation". If they did some extensive study that documented past a reasonable doubt that 40% of industry participants were being outright "Exploited" by current industry contracting/shooting/back end practices, I would still hate this but logically speaking would understand, especially if it was done properly and in a way that would actually protect the performers (Which in this form, it is not).
There are no studies or meaningful statistics, aside from a bunch of loud, annoying alarmist accounts that are clearly designed and replicated to push the cause, rather than define the scope of the problem, and work to solve the actual problem.
Most of this "Call for reform" is likely politicians running scared and trying to save face over a non-problem that has been magnified and reframed ad nauseum to induce a fervor, which has clearly gained critical mass.
Agreed. This is a speed bump, but like any legislation, it is 100% contingent upon enforcement. If they leave it up to some underfunded govt agency with no ability to take action in any regard, these laws will end up being something for said politicians to point to when anyone criticizes them for "Not doing enough to protect performers" in the future.
Japan has much bigger problems than what is going on in the AV industry, and I say that with the utmost respect for Japan, as a country I greatly admire.
In the context of this discussion though, what is more important from the perspective of top Japanese lawmakers, economic issues, security issues, or protecting porn performers from their own decisions?
Another great point.
What an ungrateful hack. However, the enjoyment I get out of watching her vomit cum into a towel (In her 100 loads title) and creampied by a bunch of old sweaty men back to back for well over an hour (Knight's Visual) just increased considerably. Change that image bitch!
I remember Marica Hase talking about she was always doted on when on set in Japan, but was shocked at how she was treated in the US, as she felt like she was slumming (She put it very respectfully, but the meaning was clear).
The problems in the US are FAR FAR worse than in Japan yet the sensationalists and industry war mongers could care less, they just want to help themselves, even if the talent is left in no better shape than before.
Great bunch of points here. Even if the govt did make some attempt at "enforcement", I can see some well connected lawyers getting together and offering retainer agreements, so if any talent try and execute on any contract provisions the studio's don't like (Especially pulling the titles), they file lawsuits and tie the matters up in court for years. The govt claims plausible deniability, the studios protect their interests (Let's face it, this is ALL ABOUT $$$ in the end), and any unruly talent will be excommunicated for life from all aspects of the industry.
Kawaii - if we went onto the "I spout radical feminist talking points from my moral high ground because my father didn't love me" thread and talked this kind of hilarious smack, Taako would probably call the police.
I thought Taaki was joking for a while, because that shit is just funny, especially considering the venue and audience.
The individuals, many in this thread and within Akiba orbit, who pour money in the JAV industry because we love it, do far far more for the economic success and well being of industry talent than any of the detractors who show up from time to time, or this ridiculous bunch of legal crap they call legislation.
Taaki, put your money where your mouth is and start buying some raunchy ass titles! Support your girls like I supported this ungrateful twat:
Delusional grandstanding like yours is often vomit-inducing. Just another person wanting to hear himself spout verbal garbage and trying to act like they know all the factors, all the hidden reasons, and basically acting like they walked in anyone shoes.
I could spout legal nonsense too on a porn site and still come off looking like a tool, just like you.
But I won't do that because this new law doesn't concern me, as it pertains to those in the industry, which luckily with "great minds" like yours , I'm even more glad it's there.
And if it makes your blood pressure rise and you can't see clearly, can't remember this site, nor my name...
well that's awesome
But leave me out your quest for notoriety on this site.
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PEACE my brotherz and sistas....can we all join hands and enjoy porn....
I like what you said about actresses being able to protect themselves and pursue legal action, and I agree with you as this is the best long term situation for the industry.
Any studio that thinks it is okay to coerce talent, bully them, force them into situations they did not agree to or don't want to be in, or outright cheat or abuse them will not let this 10 page contract deter their general operating methods. They manipulate the dates on the contracts, mislead them on the clauses, and tell the talent to sign on the dotted line and not worry about the wording. They might even doctor the contract so the govt receives one version and performer, another. If police, prosecutors and lawmakers continue down the same path, I have a hard time believing justice will be served against culpable parties if this situation were to play out as things currently stand.
Going back well over a decade, sex workers have been ignored when trying to report r***s, violence at the hands of employers or clients, as well as the sort of coercion/tactical exploitation that has most definitely occurred with respect to JAV performers in their dealings with certain industry individuals. That is the MAJOR underlying problem here, and that is the key connector to achieving the sort of reasonable treatment and justice victims deserve.
1) Additional police intake training, specially trained investigative units, dedicated prosecutors and restructured police force investigative/prosecutorial accountability with respect to crimes against sex/industry workers is a real solution. However, it is politically inconvenient, complicated and expensive.
2) With respect to JAV talent in particular, a joint industry/govt funded group could put attorneys on retainer for the use of performers, so they take their contracts, sit down with the attorneys and if there are concerns, the respective attorneys work it out. No above-board studio will say this is a problem for them, and they can use it as an excuse to raise title prices citing increased expenses due to industry safety measures (Which is A OK by me!). I am not sitting here ruling out conflicts of interest, but it is still a better check than what is being implemented.
Ideally, both of these measures would be outstanding, because outside of the JAV industry, there are plenty of other sex workers who endure horrible treatment and feel like they have no place to go. However, this avenue as well as the other would be time consuming, expensive and politically complicated as attorneys are very few and therefore in high demand.
As we are seeing, it is much more convenient, cheap and politically lucrative to come up with this legislation which looks great and will be touted as a major political victory...The path of least resistance at its worst.
I want to see a lot of new talent and another golden age of JAV, which we will never see if performers are systematically abused. We will also never see that if all the studios are forced to incur substantial additional costs and risk, with no increased chance of rewards. That is bad for them AND for performers.
Geez, an incel loser is blocking me, what will I do hahaha
Thanks for blocking me
could you block me where I can't see your delusional posts? lol.
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Do you ever watch Nabito videos on Youtube? He interviews AV stars, and they speak about the issues in the industry and how women are still tricked into making movies, and they go to the police station for help, and they are like yeah, do the film and get it over with lol. I always love the candid interviews and stories on the pornography industry and jav. I remember hearing in America how the pornstars who are newly 18 and making movies are recruited before 18. In jav and porn how you get into more degrading sex acts as your career progresses. To me American porn has calmed down since 2008, but the stuff they're shooting in Europe is insane.
There is already laws on the books to prosecute rapists and people who use intimidation to sign contracts under durress. If people are getting away with it blame the police. Exploitation is a word people throw around that has negative connotations. Reality is we are all exploited. If my boss tells me to do something a certain way and I don't do they can fire me. I could say hey I don't want to do it that way thats exploitation! We also exploit people around us to certain degrees to get things or results we want.
With that said, porn is a heavily stigmatized occupation. Since it involves women and sex it is inherently icky to society. And any sort of sexual exploitation involving women and sex gets people riled up. As a society we see women as vulnerable little flowers that need protection, which they do. If we as society feel that exploitation of this nature is too risky and immoral to let happen under our noses, we should consider banning pornography. If such a ban could be enforced properly it would remove any and all exploitation from the pornography industry. This to me is the morally superior position. It would remove the problem at hand and also prevent people from hurting themselves.
With that said, porn is a heavily stigmatized occupation. Since it involves women and sex it is inherently icky to society. And any sort of sexual exploitation involving women and sex gets people riled up. As a society we see women as vulnerable little flowers that need protection, which they do. If we as society feel that exploitation of this nature is too risky and immoral to let happen under our noses, we should consider banning pornography. If such a ban could be enforced properly it would remove any and all exploitation from the pornography industry. This to me is the morally superior position. It would remove the problem at hand and also prevent people from hurting themselves.
Other than forcing the industry underground where it might be completely unregulated. That would seem more unethical to me.
Like prostitution, pornography will always have a market. Best to recognize that, legalize it and create support structures that minimize health and safety issues.
Codifying additional protections into the AV production process isn't bad in and of itself as long as it doesn't cripple the industry to the point of moving underground and using the marginalized - illegal immigrants, the underage and the financially destitute.
Several actresses have posted about a sort of seminar that they attended explaining the new law, how it will affect their work, and what efforts are beginning to get the law altered to lessen the unnecessary burdens on the "clean" portions of the industry.
One of the more outspoken actresses against the law posted a picture of the new contract:
She also shared some details about how the new law is affecting people other than actresses:
Industry giants Otsuki Hibiki and Hatano Yui have posted links to a petition to get the law changed ASAP:
Looks like it took almost 4 weeks to put together a contract for Hibiyan. If it's taken that long for even her to get back to work, I can only imagine how less popular actresses are getting by:
Aoi Mari, who is on the board of the Union of Free Actresses (a group that tracks actresses who aren't in major production companies or are self-represented), posted about putting QR code links to the petition into tissue packets to pass out (and Amatsuka Moe responded that she'll help, too, when she gets over her cold):
Amatsuka and two others were invited to the upper house of the Japanese Diet to speak to councilors about how the new law is affecting people on the ground:
There are also posts about a few members of the lower house meeting with actresses, including one who apologized to them directly for the trouble the law is causing:
One of the more outspoken actresses against the law posted a picture of the new contract:
She also shared some details about how the new law is affecting people other than actresses:
Sannomiya Tubaki said:
Industry giants Otsuki Hibiki and Hatano Yui have posted links to a petition to get the law changed ASAP:
Looks like it took almost 4 weeks to put together a contract for Hibiyan. If it's taken that long for even her to get back to work, I can only imagine how less popular actresses are getting by:
Aoi Mari, who is on the board of the Union of Free Actresses (a group that tracks actresses who aren't in major production companies or are self-represented), posted about putting QR code links to the petition into tissue packets to pass out (and Amatsuka Moe responded that she'll help, too, when she gets over her cold):
Amatsuka and two others were invited to the upper house of the Japanese Diet to speak to councilors about how the new law is affecting people on the ground:
There are also posts about a few members of the lower house meeting with actresses, including one who apologized to them directly for the trouble the law is causing:
Thanks for compiling these responses. The fact that grown adults have to wait 4 weeks to schedule a time to voluntarily work, and these other burdensome uneeded things based on arbirtary amounts of time is the worst aspect of this law. This is my issue with the law it makes it harder to produce AV for no reason. These arbitrary time periods do nothing but infantalize JAV actresses and punishes them by making it harder for them to get work done and make money. This aspect of the law is what needs to be changed. The other parts are redundant, but this part is the biggest wrench in the process.
And lets not forget all the behind the scenes staff whos livelihoods are affected as well.
my question is at the rate JAV pushes out product, won't the scheduling just work itself out? The major contracted models pushes out 1 or 2 videos a month max. The B tier freelancers pushes up to 5+ videos monthly. I think this would only affect new women coming in right?
The most urgent question is, with all the delays built in to the process, how many studios have enough cash on hand to pay their employees for 5+ months without being able to release a single video? How many management agencies can pay their actresses? How many people involved in the industry from top to bottom, from editor to lighting technician, are going to have to quit and find new work?
It's not like when the pandemic hit and governments stepped in to keep businesses afloat. The government passed a law massively and abruptly stalling all the most legitimate parts of the industry and has left them to fend for themselves financially.
The second question is, how long will it take before the legitimate AV industry is able to re-orient around these new restrictions to put out the same amount of product with the same profit margins? Will they ever recover, given the extra risk they must all assume? As it stands, less than 1 in 5 girls who want to be AV actresses get picked up by a reputable management company. If the legitimate sides of the industry shrink, the illegitimate side might grow to fill the void: not only increasing the chances that actresses are victimized, but lowering everybody's wages in the process.
At least in the near term, I fear that those B-tier folks you mentioned will have to find new work, and fast. Check the listings at your local soapland -- some familiar face might show up there before long.
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It effects everyone. A-tier actresses will be favored to get picked for roles sure, but less roles and movies being produced means less demand for actresses in the mainstream JAV market. Less demand means price of their labor goes down. You will have more people competing for a lower amount of jobs. People have expressed how they want actresse to get paid more but if they wrap their heads around basic supply and demand this law does nothing to get them more money. To the contrary it has demonstrably cost opportunities. And will continue to do so if they are forced to wait a month to make a movie, because a lot can go wrong in 30 days.
I have yet to see an actress come out and say this law has got them a pay increase. Why would it garner more money for the actress? Less JAV being produced means less JAV to sell. Less jobs to get paid with. Since studios have less work to do that means less money going to staff as well.
As the mainstream JAV contends to deal with this the non-mainstream AV will pick up a lot of those B-tier actresses who just want to make porn and get paid and never asked for this law in the first place.