Uncensored jav and censored jav

[Supmop]

I do not know exactly how the uncensored process works in Japan; but from reading the above posts I think I have gathered an okay understanding. It seems to be selling JAV in Japan is only illegal. Why do companies not start a second company ( a shell company) overseas and sell the un-mosaic version through their online store for double the price.

They could region block the site to not work in Japan, like DMM is for us here in the west. And if anyone from Japan wants to buy, all they would have to do it use a VPN or Proxy; that way it is not technically selling in Japan.

selling uncenssored JAV in japan that illegal, selling censsored AV are legal

I've suspected that some uncenssored studios are censsored studio's branch or at least they have connection somehow, because sometimes they shared the same place and same actresses to made some different videos

 

[EroMura777]

It has been told many times by @Inertia (who happens to be an insider) that any company that would sell the uncensored version of a censored video would be blacklisted by models and agencies

 

[Inertia]

Supmop: no connections that I know of. They sometimes shoot in the same studios because those studios can be rented out by anyone (even you!). The actresses used are all free agents. Sometimes they even go by an alternate name when doing uncensored (Ayumu Sena -> Aiko Hirose). Even if it's a big uncensored release however, you never see them promoting it. Uncensored JAV is kind of an industry onto itself.

I think it would be hard for Japanese authorities to crack down on uncensored shoots. You really don't have any proof at the time of filming that the title will be uncensored (of course everyone on set knows, but it's not like they're waving that fact around). The crew/actresses are not employees of the company, but are freelance so there's not really much of a connection to the uncensored company too. The only real gray area is the transmission though snail mailing the raw data in an encrypted hard drive or simply uploading via a good VPN will make 'discovery' there nigh on impossible.

If censored studios seriously saw uncensored JAV as a threat to their livelihoods, then I could imagine a situation where censored studios would start to flat-out blacklist any actress/actor/off-camera staff member (if they had solid proof) who took part in one.

 

[Supmop]

Supmop: no connections that I know of. They sometimes shoot in the same studios because those studios can be rented out by anyone (even you!). The actresses used are all free agents. Sometimes they even go by an alternate name when doing uncensored (Ayumu Sena -> Aiko Hirose). Even if it's a big uncensored release however, you never see them promoting it. Uncensored JAV is kind of an industry onto itself.

I think it would be hard for Japanese authorities to crack down on uncensored shoots. You really don't have any proof at the time of filming that the title will be uncensored (of course everyone on set knows, but it's not like they're waving that fact around). The crew/actresses are not employees of the company, but are freelance so there's not really much of a connection to the uncensored company too. The only real gray area is the transmission though snail mailing the raw data in an encrypted hard drive or simply uploading via a good VPN will make 'discovery' there nigh on impossible.

If censored studios seriously saw uncensored JAV as a threat to their livelihoods, then I could imagine a situation where censored studios would start to flat-out blacklist any actress/actor/off-camera staff member (if they had solid proof) who took part in one.

yes I agree with you, they are smart

my suspicion based on too much coincidents (sharing same place, same actresses in the same day), and the censsored studios do nothing about it

but like you said, very difficult to prove it

and I'm enjoying those uncenssored videos, those "joint productions" oftenly are much better than common uncenssored, so I'm supporting it

 

[Barthoi]

Emiri Okazaki becames CWP-152

 

[ding73ding]

Emiri Okazaki becames CWP-152

An idol I had not been very interested in, until now. Let's see now... average face, average figure, debuted in 2012, (now) 25 years old, looks like this is her retirement vid from 2 months ago:



So she went to uncensored AFTER retirement. Wonder if something should be made of that... I shall look forward to CWP-152. Oh! Hey she blew a shemale in IPZ-846, now I HAVE TO get that while waiting for CWP-152 to drop.

 

[samurai79]

It is normal to do uncensored after retiring from censored movies.

 

[Barthoi]

CWP-152

 

[Barthoi]

It is normal to do uncensored after retiring from censored movies.

Praying for Kaho Kasumi he! he! he!

 

[vincent_z]

You seem to be forgetting that uncensored videos occasionally get released in a mosaiced form. I have spotted mosaiced videos which were originally shown uncensored on 99bb.com in AV shops (cleared through JEJA) (How many video ethics boards are there?), and bought a few of them.

 

[silent1one]

You seem to be forgetting that uncensored videos occasionally get released in a mosaiced form. I have spotted mosaiced videos which were originally shown uncensored on 99bb.com in AV shops (cleared through JEJA) (How many video ethics boards are there?), and bought a few of them.

Just like anri Suzuki, riko tachibana, and recently yui hatano. Sometimes one got extra footage like intros, extended sex, and different angles of the same scene.

 

[Inertia]

I've seen uncensored be released as censored in Japan and just as silent1one said, they sometimes get a bonus scene or something. It's really cool and reminds me a lot of how the Japan edition of albums often have a bonus track or two.

A title on our site for example, Ward of Darkened Illusions, was released with mosaic and they added an enema scene.

 

[silent1one]

Companies will always try to find a way to create some incentives to attract customers to purchase more physical copies. Director cut, mini souveneir, or an exclusive photo/autograph. There are other things to worry about than tracking down uncensored publisher. Seriously, a lot of major labels have been featuring idols with shaved or thin pubic hairs in very thin mosaic releases for many years.

 

[silent1one]

More troubles in the Japanese av industry? I'm not familiar to how Japanese agencies scout for new girls, but I know a lot American pornstars got their job because their friends are in the industry. Also, many said they just google and answer some ads according to their interviews. They're usually called in by the studios for an amateur shoot for their debut scene and don't necessarily need an agent.
According to Japanese movies and news, these scouting agents are really good at persuading naive young girls and bored housewives to do av. Most of them regret it after the excitement wore off, didn't achieve the popularity they expected, or got expose by people they know easily.
http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2017/0...e-porn-industry-over-women-forced-to-perform/

 

[Supmop]

More troubles in the Japanese av industry? I'm not familiar to how Japanese agencies scout for new girls, but I know a lot American pornstars got their job because their friends are in the industry. Also, many said they just google and answer some ads according to their interviews. They're usually called in by the studios for an amateur shoot for their debut scene and don't necessarily need an agent.
According to Japanese movies and news, these scouting agents are really good at persuading naive young girls and bored housewives to do av. Most of them regret it after the excitement wore off, didn't achieve the popularity they expected, or got expose by people they know easily.
http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2017/0...e-porn-industry-over-women-forced-to-perform/

if that so, whose to blame ? the girls or the scouting agents ?

persuading are different from forcing

the best for those girls don't sign any contract if they don't really understand about it, must be very careful about this

 

[silent1one]

if that so, whose to blame ? the girls or the scouting agents ?

persuading are different from forcing

the best for those girls don't sign any contract if they don't really understand about it, must be very careful about this

There are real cases that girls are being forced to act in av without their consent.
There are also those that are very naive. Most teens have high hope in their future and are easy targets for agencies to manipulate. In some cases, they might promise them fame and fortune, but they slowly turn them from small idols in to av stars instead of movie stars. Also, they probably bear a grudge for not receiving big opportunities instead they get discriminated a lot after retirement. People can blame their naiveness or the agencies.

 

[Inertia]

IF there's actual deceit by the scouts and agencies who recruit the (potential) AV stars, then I have no sympathy for them. However, it seems like the number of women making accusations are very low and the number dwindles even more when you just count actual legal cases.

It's hard to tell if a woman claims she was forced into AV after starring in dozens or even hundreds of titles. I've seen the contracts used and they're nowhere near as prolix and vague as the average contracts people sign when signing up for mobile phones, email services, etc. I think any 20 year-old with even a high school education can understand what they say.

Either way, on one hand the hint of government regulation can be frightening, but I think this could actually benefit the studios/agencies . If they had to by law record the initial meeting with the actress including her reading and signing the contract, this could be beneficial for them if the actress later decides to claim she was forced as the studio/agency would have good proof that wasn't the case.

 

[fwildly]

I'm actually surprised that this has yet to be mentioned or brought up here, but it seems the police in Japan are finally cracking down on the production of uncensored JAV.

Caribbean.com has already been hit and they are looking into others.

 

[Supmop]

There are real cases that girls are being forced to act in av without their consent.
There are also those that are very naive. Most teens have high hope in their future and are easy targets for agencies to manipulate. In some cases, they might promise them fame and fortune, but they slowly turn them from small idols in to av stars instead of movie stars. Also, they probably bear a grudge for not receiving big opportunities instead they get discriminated a lot after retirement. People can blame their naiveness or the agencies.

I doubt it, japan is wealthy country, most japanese have at least high school education, some of the girls in the industry are university graduate

so its funny if they sign contract without consent, and some of them already done dozens videos before they "realize" they have been forced

being very naive I think its their own fault, agencies and AV industry are legal bussiness in Japan, so you can't blame them

 

[hairy_bush]

Some fun facts about Japan to help u get a better picture

High school is not compulsory.

There are many low level high schools like technical, agricultural, sports high schools that don't focus on academics.

Japanese universities don't rank high compared to other countries.

Japan is an island country and homogenous and thus are more trusting of other Japanese.

many girls want to be idols to them that's the ultimate level of cuteness

But in Japan's entertainment business you have to have a pure image.

once your image or reputation gets tainted those nefarious agents can pretty much do anything, threaten to tell your parents you did porn, pretty much destroy your life.

Feminism women empowerment is not strong here.