Watermarks You Hate

needs more loli

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WOW!! They actually tack things onto the end that increases the file size?
I could be wrong but from what I've seen.. yes. But they are relevant trailers (same company as the video) so they could be part of the actual video. Thing is Yipman releases never had them, so maybe he was just courteous enough to clip them out. Either way its annoying when you dl a 3 hour movie only to find out that the last hour is just trailers. Its basically adding 50% to the file size. Mabye they do this so people think it's a higher quality video because of its larger size.
 

Waxaxa

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Actually downed a movie with that commercial, think it was watermark free, I cut the ad and ads at the end away and it's actually a decent and clean SD rip.
 

Casshern2

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In fact...the ones that do the actual watermarking, I assume, are not the individuals posting here, are they? Why don't other members simply ask the Akiba posters to ID them in their thread Titles. Wouldn't hurt, right?
 
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princeali692

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These watermarks are a big part of why I am sick of downloading and storing torrents. The cost/benefit of storing ugly watermarked torrents simply isn't as good to me as just actually purchasing them and getting good quality.
 
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ding73ding

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Actually I prefer the ones with the Chinese live chat commercial (not casino) at the beginning. There are free programs that can help you trim the movie without re-encoding it, takes less than 10 minutes on a budget PC (think its a Duo). Once you did that it's like you get a watermark-free vid.

From the language and contents, it's absolutely clear all the watermarks target mainland Chinese netizens. Watermarking consume resource, not to the extent of fansubbing but it's still resource. So someone took the trouble to do it only because it works (somewhat). Like back when spam mails were a huge problem. It doesn't matter the vast majority doesn't fall for it. It takes, literally, 1 out of 10 million spam mails to "work" to make a net profit for the spammer. So it also require a tiny percentage (but still greater than ZERO) of watermarking to work to keep the "watermark ecology" going.

I've watched this thread long enough, and have seen the watermark issue gotten worse then better then way worse and now (hopefully) it's swinging back slightly. The main issue that makes watermarking sustainable only on JAV but not affecting Hollywood movies, J-dramas and anime is an important hint: there are not enough widespread appeal amd not enough release groups. We all hate the watermarkers but if no one is going to take their place (by sourcing and releasing) and these guys are getting some compensation for it, then either someone should up and start a new release group or, short of that,we might consider a word of thanks to those 1 in 10 millions Chinese who went and spend money on those gambling and sex chat sites. Without them, we are gonna to get a lot less JAV for free.

As the watermark-free subforum... once again a fine suggestion for someone else to fix your problem. It's plenty easy enough for Akabi members to go and label each new release as watermarked or not, by simply posting a reply to the threads.
 
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Casshern2

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"Release Group" . . ..

:oops: You're right. Who has the time other than those idiots to sustain what they do. It would be 24/7 work, really. At least...if you were trying to get everything out as zero-day releases like they do.

And while we're at it...you know what I'm sure I've never seen?? A request in the request threads for a non-watermarked version of a title with a link to the offending Watermarked post.
 

Hans Kowalski

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ding73ding has a point here. In the world of pirated internet porn, japanese produced porn doesn't have a wide appeal, the only reason we're getting most of them is probably precisely because the release groups make money with those advertisements. Same for all those JAV blogs, they basically just exist because they make money with their filehost premium referrals. (And I'm talking about legit sites here and not the fake ones we have a thread for, that's a different issue.)

I won't start complaining too much about the watermarks. I'm not a paying customer, I bought exactly 4 movies from DMM over the years, that's it. If those advertisements and watermarks are the reason we get the free movies at all, so be it.

Though unlike ding73ding I have less of an issue with the yellow watermark releases and more with the chinese ad lady versions, because the former usually have pretty good quality for SD rips, but the chinese lady rips, like I said earlier, don't only suffer from terrible image quality, the encoding is full of video and audio glitches.
 

Fisheraaa

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Just to add some historical facts ... We started seeing the yellow watermarks in the 3rd quarter of 2013, and they became an absolute factor in the begining of the 2nd quarter of 2014.
 
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pikuseru

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Non-watermarked videos were the standard for many years, but the past two years these yellow watermarks are everywhere and that is because JAV is too niche? Sorry I don't buy it.

People keep downloading watermarked videos, people will keep addiing watermarks. If people stopped downloading watermarked videos, there will be no more watermarks. I don't think there is anything else to it.
 
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needs more loli

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As a freeloader, I feel like I don't really have a right to complain. But you have to admit that it's been getting pretty ridiculous lately.

Actually downed a movie with that commercial, think it was watermark free, I cut the ad and ads at the end away and it's actually a decent and clean SD rip.
What software did you use? I've tried a few but they only cut at the keyframes.
 
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CodeGeek

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I've had it up to here with that stupid chinese casino commercial at the start of each video. Just want to punch that lady everytime I hear her voice lol. Just seeing this infuriates me. :mad:View attachment 492664
And in addition to the fact that its reencoded and loses quality, I've noticed that a lot of videos with this commercial at the beginning has about a full HOUR of trailers tacked on to the end. That's a ton of wasted space :mad::mad::mad:
Always annoying, these Chinese ads. But on the other side I thought a few times: "Wow, what a cute voice. Would be nice to see her in such a movie". ;)
But, yes, the watermark thing seems out of control nowadays. It would be nice to know if a movie has one and how bad it is beforehand.
 

ding73ding

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Sure I remember too not long ago no one put any watermark on the release. Coincidentally, that was the time the Chinese netizens didn't "pollute" our waters because no one would have the bandwidth to download the 700+ MB files that we were using. (notice the disappearance of small RMVB files nowadays) Now Chinese are downloading the SD and HD files the same as us. And we are stuck with the ads targeted to them.

Look I too take a few minutes before each download to avoid, if possible, the yellow (sometimes white) multiline watermarks, have been doing it ever since I saw it for the first time. And I bet a lot of AV fans (including the Chinese) are doing the same. I really don't think "boycotting" the bad watermarks would have any impact on the watermark scene. They don't get "encouraged" by the number of downloads, if it works that way, the behaviour of all of us would have stamped out watermark entirely already. They get incentivized by people browsing to those sites and spending money there.

I really don't know how the watermark economy works... but no matter what the main problem is lack of competitors. Actually I am starting to have a strong suspicion where most of the AV "leak" into the internet, I'm not saying where or who (anyway it's just my pet theory) but I'm pretty sure the English-speaking world isn't in the loop. So whatever we say or complain here doesn't make a damn difference to everyone (no matter his role) in the AV universe.

Curiously... the above doesn't apply to hentai... for whatever reason the English speaking world has a role in hentai manga and anime, both legit and pirated.

Though unlike ding73ding I have less of an issue with the yellow watermark releases and more with the chinese ad lady versions, because the former usually have pretty good quality for SD rips, but the chinese lady rips, like I said earlier, don't only suffer from terrible image quality, the encoding is full of video and audio glitches.

Curious, I have not noticed any worse quality of the Chinese ad lady compared to the yellow watermark. I've just recently downloaded a Chinese ad lady version of BAXZ-021 to replace a yellow watermark version I downloaded earlier. I have to trim off the the first 40+ seconds to get rid of the ad (which tends to wake up the whole house despite I always watch AV with the volume low). And then I did a quick eyeball check for quality. I won't go into details here, anyway my rather quick comparison decided that the Chinese ad version quality is not worse, while the semi-transparent one-line watermark is a lot less annoying than the opaque and loud yellow 3-lines watermark.

This is the only vid I can do an apple-to-apple comparsion. And sorry I deleted the yellow version so I can't offer a detail side-by-side comparsion.



BAZX-021-caps.jpg BAZX-021-caps1.jpg
 
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ding73ding

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What software did you use? I've tried a few but they only cut at the keyframes.

I'm no expert on this. Recently I use Bigasoft Total Video Converter based on recommendation by another member here. I think most of the free and (free-ish) warez use pretty much the same set of kernels so the different apps varies mainly in the UI.

Mostly I want to maintain the video quality which means no re-encoding, so that mean (as I understand) cutting only at one of the keyframes. Sure it would be nicer to have single-frame precision when editing, but I prefer the speed and convenience of not re-encoding so I'm OK with a few extra (or fewer) frames. Once you walk down that road of nitpicking on frame precision, you might as well go all out for fading and mixing sounds too for that professional looking transition between scenes.

Problem is once you learn about video editing it actually take a lot of disciplines not to waste all my free time to re-edit each AV, to cut out the lame conversation, the too-too-long foreplay etc.
 
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Inertia

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I'm pretty sure a lot of AV is leaking from the disc pressing factories.

I've talked with some studios about moving physical production to Japan to test out this hypothesis, but most are too used to how cheap it is to produce there. When you consider a title may be 5,000 yen though, would it really hurt to produce it in Japan for an extra 500 yen (theoretically)?
 
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Casshern2

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I'm pretty sure a lot of AV is leaking from the disc pressing factories.

I've talked with some studios about moving physical production to Japan to test out this hypothesis, but most are too used to how cheap it is to produce there. When you consider a title may be 5,000 yen though, would it really hurt to produce it in Japan for an extra 500 yen (theoretically)?

Never thought of that!! The discs are pressed IN CHINA! Perfect...
 

CodeGeek

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The discs are pressed in TAIWAN and sometimes KOREA.

Big difference.
Hm, okay, porn is also banned in South Korea. I'm not sure about Taiwan, but I haven't seen any "official" Taiwanese porn yet. So I guess it's also banned there. ;)