Is JAV loosing its edge?

[paparoach408]

the fact is the past few years most of the popular girls are freelancer, and started their career as a freelancer too, the last 3 best actress winners are freelancer, and current top 4 : Aika, Hibiki Otsuki, Saki Hatsumi and Aki Sasaki are freelancer

so I agree with you big studios aren't producing starlet like before, most of them only have short career in AV or failed to reach the top spot

Sakura Mana who won best new actress at the Adult Broadcasting awards, won the best actress in 2015, the DDM awards are only 3 years old, and the best actress award is influenced a lot by sales, of course actresses who put out a lot would always win those, The award of Excellence is what goes to who the fans vote as the most popular, which have had A contract girl, and Aika win it so your concept on that is kinda flawed.

also if you mean DMM top 4, again that's unfair if you release a lot, great chance you sell more then someone who does 1 video a month, Like Sakura Mana is one of the top 5 girls in the industry, Yua Mikami, and Rion who aren't great performers you'd easily say they are more popular then those 4 freelancers, Acky has been a consistent top girl in the industry for almost 20 years and she does 2 videos a month, Tsubomi also does great at two vids a month.

 

[Blade Runner]

I understand what you mean, but from what I've learned JAV people are trying to give new fresh girls, I'm sure they have study the market, and they know Maria Ozawa's replica will not bring them fortune

Maria Ozawa was a unique talent because of her looks and performance.

Julia and Rena Fukiishi are subtly promoted as successors to Maria Ozawa. Perhaps it's deliberate but similarities are interesting: frequent monthly releases, mixed heritage, healthy busts, and nice figures. I will risk triggering fisticuffs (sarcasm) by saying neither matches Maria as a performer.

 

[Supmop]

Sakura Mana who won best new actress at the Adult Broadcasting awards, won the best actress in 2015, the DDM awards are only 3 years old, and the best actress award is influenced a lot by sales, of course actresses who put out a lot would always win those, The award of Excellence is what goes to who the fans vote as the most popular, which have had A contract girl, and Aika win it so your concept on that is kinda flawed.

also if you mean DMM top 4, again that's unfair if you release a lot, great chance you sell more then someone who does 1 video a month, Like Sakura Mana is one of the top 5 girls in the industry, Yua Mikami, and Rion who aren't great performers you'd easily say they are more popular then those 4 freelancers, Acky has been a consistent top girl in the industry for almost 20 years and she does 2 videos a month, Tsubomi also does great at two vids a month.

yes

thanks to remind me that the most popular are not same with the best

I should correct my word, the most popular are dominate by freelancers, like you said they have advantage because they release more videos, yes I know it isn't fair but fans are more often to see them, so their images are more into people's mind, especially for the neutral

honestly I'm rare to see people mentioned about Yua Mikami, while Rion is more often, but the most often to be mentioned recently are those freelancers

 

[Supmop]

Maria Ozawa was a unique talent because of her looks and performance.

Julia and Rena Fukiishi are subtly promoted as successors to Maria Ozawa. Perhaps it's deliberate but similarities are interesting: frequent monthly releases, mixed heritage, healthy busts, and nice figures. I will risk triggering fisticuffs (sarcasm) by saying neither matches Maria as a performer.

I seen a lot of peoples turn to JAV becaused her

btw about Rena Fukishi, I think she is unique, failed in the beginning, years later she comeback and rise as one of the most bussy, maybe her luck come late, or becaused other factor

 

[blah13]

I seen a lot of peoples turn to JAV becaused her

btw about Rena Fukishi, I think she is unique, failed in the beginning, years later she comeback and rise as one of the most bussy, maybe her luck come late, or becaused other factor

True that, Maria Ozawa was the first one who I would actively try to find movies of. I think you are right about the fact that its their mixed heritage that sets them apart. They have a unique look that Im sure is very attractive to a lot of people including myself.

 

[jugulear]

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Maria Ozawa must have indoctrinated me into JAV; on a tube site, I watched her playing a news anchor getting all bukkake'd (while she was possibly reading copy... in English, I believe), and I thought... who is that exotic beauty.

Even Akiba-Online's "mixed blood" expert, the venerable Paparoach408, could not (in 2013) corroborate JULIA's DNA. Ghostbird pointed to two inconclusive sites, and allow me to present the information from the second one under "Spoiler," as I got an infection warning for that site. (First site, Boobpedia, boldly claims: "Ethnicity: Caucasian, Asian.")

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(Once you click on that "Spoiler" button, note the presentation of other stage names for JULIA, primarily "Julia Kyoka," which the Minnano-AV site confirms with the "Kyouka" spelling. I did not know she had a fuller stage name. Her Sougouwiki page reports differently, with "Kyoka" as another single-name alias, along with "Saori.")

If anyone has "evidence" on either actress (I've never thought of Rena Fukiishi as a mutt, frankly; what made those who have said so reach that conclusion?), I would encourage you to make a record of it on the "Mixed Blooded JAV Actress") thread.


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[Blade Runner]

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Maria Ozawa must have indoctrinated me into JAV; on a tube site, I watched her playing a news anchor getting all bukkake'd (while she was possibly reading copy... in English, I believe), and I thought... who is that exotic beauty.

Even Akiba-Online's "mixed blood" expert, the venerable Paparoach408, could not (in 2013) corroborate JULIA's DNA. Ghostbird pointed to two inconclusive sites, and allow me to present the information from the second one under "Spoiler," as I got an infection warning for that site. (First site, Boobpedia, boldly claims: "Ethnicity: Caucasian, Asian.")

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(Once you click on that "Spoiler" button, note the presentation of other stage names for JULIA, primarily "Julia Kyoka," which the Minnano-AV site confirms with the "Kyouka" spelling. I did not know she had a fuller stage name. Her Sougouwiki page reports differently, with "Kyoka" as another single-name alias, along with "Saori.")

If anyone has "evidence" on either actress (I've never thought of Rena Fukiishi as a mutt, frankly; what made those who have said so reach that conclusion?), I would encourage you to make a record of it on the "Mixed Blooded JAV Actress") thread.


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-1 Julia Clap was poor choice as stage name.

 

[EroMura777]

-1 Julia Clap was poor choice as stage name.

I have only found this name on her Twitter account, and I think it's because CLAP is the agency she works for.

 

[pikuseru]

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Maria Ozawa must have indoctrinated me into JAV; on a tube site, I watched her playing a news anchor getting all bukkake'd (while she was possibly reading copy... in English, I believe), and I thought... who is that exotic beauty.

That's RCT-168 scene 3. And yes she reads in English (the other girls read in Japanese).

It's one of the earliest JAVs I watched as well. One of the best bukkake series ever, but now defunct, like many great bukkake series, which I guess could be an example of "JAV loosing its edge".

 

[Supmop]

That's RCT-168 scene 3. And yes she reads in English (the other girls read in Japanese).

It's one of the earliest JAVs I watched as well. One of the best bukkake series ever, but now defunct, like many great bukkake series, which I guess could be an example of "JAV loosing its edge".

JAV loosing its edge is subjective, its depend on our preferences, for people who love bukkake, r***, bondage, lolli you will say yet it is, but I don't like it so I don't care if they stop making those genres anymore

and I love good orgy and outdoor sex, I feel its really bad they have discontinue Moodyz's Bako Bako Tour, but for you guys who dislike it, you don't care too

so if you ask to peoples who watch oldskul vanilla stuff only (no bukkake, no outdoor, no r***, no rough play, no incest), everything still going fine like usually for them

 

[jugulear]

"...Defunct, like many great bukkake series, which I guess could be an example of 'JAV loosing its edge'."

I can understand how JAV might be getting softened as Blah13 outlined in his wonderful opening post, as far as the more controversial areas, but I can't understand why anyone would think silly bukkake would pose any kind of a danger... to the point where the Japanese porn makers would turn away from producing this JAV staple. So if bukkake has become nearly extinct, that would be fascinating. If so, perhaps it was determined that the viewers are no longer as interested?

I've usually paid attention to the times you have brought up Maria Ozawa and/or RCT-168, Pikuseru... and you have mentioned the movie a good several times. (Here is one time you added a lovely photo of the lady, and another time you even speculated Maria was a... transsexual?? For God's SAKE, Pikuseru!) Thing is, I have a burning curiosity about that first long JAV excerpt I watched (in terms of what film it came from), and I am almost positive it was not RCT-168. I believe the running length was around an hour (i.e., just Maria), and I dimly remember she was standing a good chunk of the time (perhaps out in the open, and not necessarily behind a desk), and smartly attired (at least at first) in perhaps a business suit.

That is, I remember the camera angle mostly as a mid-shot (waist/hips up) whereas RCT-168 has a lot of close-ups:

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When I conducted research, I concluded RCT-168 was Maria's only "anchorwoman/bukkake" outing, and since I'm pretty sure what I watched was something other than RCT-168, the movie's identity has always gnawed on me. Maybe the movie was uncensored (and thus left out from DMM-style filmographies), or maybe I was simply imagining things.



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[Inertia]

ether202: great post. Some of the posters here may want to metaphorically burn you at the stake for saying it though.

 

[Supmop]

Well there's one way you can make sure the genres you like stay around and that's vote with your yen/dollars, because the stuff that sells will stick around simple as that.. It might get a little more complicated when talking about laws about outdoor shooting but there are ways around that ie shooting on private property if the studios have enough money and incentive.. I think that's the real deal breaker here and that many who share free JAV on sites like these don't necessarily want to hear.. It's not a free lunch. These studious have costs and if they aren't being met and made a profit off of then it's a no go..

totally agree with you

people who can't understand or won't accept the fact that piracy is killing the AV industry are either real stupid or pretend to be stupid

I understand, and I'm guilty of it too, but it's the truth.. I've downloaded many movies but I also try to buy when I can and I realize that not everyone is in the position to do that, that the movies are probably overpriced when they are just digital downloads and are the same price OR MORE as the the physical media if they were in Japan.. and that for most people outside of Japan paying for a digital download with DRM that has to be played in a proprietary player isn't very attractive to say the least..

buying many videos is not good, but never buy is not good too

so buy some is a wise move

 

[Blade Runner]

ether202: great post. Some of the posters here may want to metaphorically burn you at the stake for saying it though.

LOL

 

[Blade Runner]

I understand, and I'm guilty of it too, but it's the truth.. I've downloaded many movies but I also try to buy when I can and I realize that not everyone is in the position to do that, that the movies are probably overpriced when they are just digital downloads and are the same price OR MORE as the the physical media if they were in Japan.. and that for most people outside of Japan paying for a digital download with DRM that has to be played in a proprietary player isn't very attractive to say the least..

+1

 

[Inertia]

I don't believe JAV is over-priced. I've seen many of these smaller studios and they are NOT rolling in dough. When a title costs $5000+ USD to make and historically titles in the same series may only sell a few hundred copies, selling for 2900 yen a pop ($30'ish) is reasonable.

Some people like to complain that they can buy major motion pictures for $10 and why should JAV cost more than that. What some fail to realize is that major motion pictures are seen by millions of people so the studios can afford to charge less. JAV studios don't have that freedom and charge what they do so they don't go under.

Prefer to pay less? Check out sites like http://10musume.com/ . It's updated near daily with exclusive amateur uncensored content. It's about $40 a month or so. The catch? It's pretty much all one-on-one filming. Your director/actor and the actress in a hotel room for the most part. If you want big name big story big production JAV to cost less, you'll just see titles like this and nothing fancier.

 

[Inertia]

The physical cost to press a movie is pennies on the dollar. 2980 yen (or whatever it costs for the title) is not really taking into factor the physical costs since they're so negligible.

I agree that bonuses with physical media (ie, actual physical bonus like a Polaroid or just like a bonus scene on the disk) is always a nice plus and it's a sure-fire way to keep their sales viable. Not AV related at all, but 99% of the time I buy MP3 albums of bands I like. It's only when they offer something special like a signed CD would I plunk down extra + shipping for the physical product.

 

[princeali692]

I voted that jav is losing its edge only in some areas. For the gokkun fans i think this past year was really good to us. Theres a little slowdown but maybe its just the season we are in? I think we could see more bukkake though, haven't seen a great bukkake movie come out in in a while. Milkycat has been producing this year pretty well I think considering they are relatively slow being a smaller studio. But others have not been stepping up to do the good ol' classic bukkake for a while now I believe. Or at least not the way I would prefer it being done.

The biggest problem I have now is urabukkake slowing down. They havent been updating nearly as much due to the crackdown on uncensored content. They seem to still be shooting content they say for their new censored site. I hope that comes out sooner than later. I have less than half of the videos they ever made to watch left. I think I'll need to binge watch the rest of them and downgrade my VIP status temporarily until hopefully their new site gets launched. Then I can dump my money into that instead. If they do go out of business (I pray not) I will just dedicate it all to a milky cat membership.

As for other genres, I think blowjob movies are always good and steady. But the irrumatio genre could always be a little more frequent in my opinion, like Aoi Rena in Smile Deepthroat. That was a great one. Need more of that more often.

I never had an outside/public fetish but I think it is unfortuante for fans of that genre and I would feel just as bad if one of my favorite genres were obstructed that way. I think these things come in cycles, especially for niche genres many of us are into that got us into jav to begin with. I remember when when I started posting here more frequently everyone was complaining about lack of gokkun and such. Then a while later it became another golden age again. Once the Japanese authorities scratches the bug out of its ass things will go back to normal again. All they are doing is saving face for whatever reason. Once they feel validated things will smooth out again.

 

[Motiman]

I understand, and I'm guilty of it too, but it's the truth.. I've downloaded many movies but I also try to buy when I can and I realize that not everyone is in the position to do that, that the movies are probably overpriced when they are just digital downloads and are the same price OR MORE as the the physical media if they were in Japan.. and that for most people outside of Japan paying for a digital download with DRM that has to be played in a proprietary player isn't very attractive to say the least..

Totally right. I too download the vast majority of JAV i watch. Probably 99% of the stuff i watch i pirate. The 1% that i do buy tend to be from my favourite genres or actresses, usually through R18. I don't know just how much of my payment goes to the actual studio and how much is DMM's share. I remember asking R18 over on the DMM thread and he replied that it all depended on which studio. The bigger studios get a bigger slice of the pie i guess.

To answer the OP, i would say no. I'm more than happy with how JAV is right now and like where it's going. I'm a big fan of movies which have a strong narrative, so studios like Nagae style, Fa pro or Jet Eizou are doing very well for my taste. The latter also brings me onto NTR movies which seem to be everywhere right now too.

I have also seen an increase in the 'danger sex' genre. Not physical danger mind you, but movies where a person is cheating on their partner while they are close by. The danger factor comes from the fact they could easily be caught at any time. Therefore, in terms of what i like and enjoy, things are looking good.

There are still a lot of r***, incest and loli movies being made. I actually think they are increasing, not decreasing, their output so i have to disagree with the OP's view but maybe it is only happening to certain types of movie that he enjoys. I don't really watch 'extreme' JAV so i'm not in the best place to talk about that. I guess bestiality is the only thing that has completely disappeared.

 

[Inertia]

Motiman: "I don't know just how much of my payment goes to the actual studio and how much is DMM's share."

If it's a studio DMM owns, then it's pretty much pure profit (after credit card processor's cut which is probably around 5-10%).

If it's NOT a studio DMM owns--like a smaller studio not owned by any big conglomerate--then it's really super low...like slap in the face low given the fact that they pretty much host the movies and don't do much else with them in terms of promotion. It's so low that some studios sometimes wait before putting new content up at DMM. Some studios don't even put their wares up there at all.

I still think that if one's option for legally acquiring a digital copy of a movie is either buy through R18 or pirate, then one should still buy. It's better than $0 going to the studio. However, the best way to support a studio is always buying directly if possible. It's just how some bands make more per sale off merchandise than they do off of albums sales when albums are sold on third party sites like Amazon*.

*fun fact: Amazon Japan also pushes porn really hard compared to Amazon USA's more puritanical approach.