Is JAV loosing its edge?

[lraiden]

Yeah. I love their videos. Especially the newer ones

 

[Supmop]

Yeah. I love their videos. Especially the newer ones

they had good concept, and very good in finding talents too

I think I should watch them again, its been a long time

 

[theydonotwantto]

I'm a fan of forced/r*** JAV. Recent months, I feel the plots are getting bore, and the acting too.

I tried to find old JAV (2013 and prior), they're so much better.

 

[needs more loli]

I voted "yes, only in certain genres"...

Mainstream JAV (99% of the stuff from Moodyz or S1... the ones with normal sex and gorgeous big boob idols) have pretty much stayed the same throughout the 10-11 years I've been watching JAV.

It's the fetish stuff that has really taken a dive; bukkake, gokkun, irrumatio, and gangrape have gone seriously downhill. Its sad as those are all my favorite genres

 

[blah13]

I don't think that JAV is losing its edge, but it does seem to me that its going through a dip or slump right now. For one I don't think that the industry has any top tier JAV idols to carry the industy like they have in the pass. Yes they have handful of popular JAV idols, but their a combination of the leftover (for lack of a better word) from the previous generation and some up an comes. They don't seem to have those main stream appeal JAV idols to carry the industry. In the pass JAV idols like Sora Aoi, Yuma Asami, Maria Ozawa, Nana Ogura, Rio Hamasaki, Yua Aida are just some among a group of 10-15 JAV idols of their generation that form the backbone of the industry. Right now i don't see many JAV idols that have debut within the last couple of year what have made the same impact as those girls did when they first debut and the following couple of years. Even the girls that have make a big impact when they debut, they either burn out quickly or lose a lot of stream after a good year or two. As for the Idols like Kirara Asuka, Julia , Tsubomi, Hitomi I associate them with the tail end of the time of the super idols of the likes of Sora Aoi, Yuma Asami among other. Which just show you how long they have been around. I huge fan of them, and i still enjoy watching their new videos but it can be hard for them to hold the same high level of attention and excitement of their fans over a larger period of time.

It could also be a side effect of the fact that every year so many new girls debut. Some seem to just want to make a quick buck or two. While others don't see the future they wanted when they first got into the industry. They where probably hoping to hit it big, but after a couple of movies and a luke warm reception they rather cut their loss an get out rather than get pay less than they think they should be getting pay.

Another possibility is that so many cute, hot, and sexy idols debut each year. That we have just become somewhat desensitize to all JAV idols what we are just expecting too much for each girl from the start. So when we see an average performances we quickly lose interest and move on to the next cute/hot/sexy idol that just debut who is the next big thing. As a result we don't get to see jav idols develop and come to their own, because they weren't A+ performers from the get go, like some other girl we saw debut at the same time. At the same time we lose interest on the "it girl" we left some other new idols for because she either had a really luck and good first debut and everything after that is sub-par. Quick example Yua Mikami. I really like her debut movie and TEK-073 movie, but besides those two movies every think else has been average at best. I think that Yua Mikami has everything she needs to be a top star and as of right now is under performing especially compare to her full potential. The same can be said of so many idols out their. I think that is way it seems that JAV is losing it's edge. Especially given that the larger studious producing the same top tier and quality of JAV films and Idols as they did in the past. The bigger studious right now just seem to be buying what they see as top talent idols. Who actually build their name and career at smaller labels and movie genres. Only to be tame and piggen hole into fitting into the what the type of movies that larger studios like to produce. those are my two cents.

This is a very interesting point you raise. Something that I hadnt really thought about. Its strange really as a fan of football/soccer I always notice how the top clubs try to replace their star players with someone similar. You sometimes see this with movies or bands as well. A franchise replacing an actor with someone similar or someone who is similarly capable, or a band replacing a guitarist with some one who has a similar musical style. Its strange that Ive never thought about this cycle of replacing the aging stars when it comes to JAV.

After reading your post however ive been looking at a lot of stuff and wonder why there hasnt been anyone who has had the impact of that the JAV stars a few years ago seem to have had. I look at the releases across studios and wonder why that is? Have we been spoiled with choice? To go back to a comparision with sports, when a young player enters the scene most fans are very patient with the youngster in the hopes that one day he will fulfill his true potential, porn being about instant gratification we obviously dont have the same patience with new comers. On the other hand I do think that the studios are desperate to create the next big thing. Even though I dont much care for her it feels like the last hugely popular JAV star was Julia. Over the last few months it seems like various studios are trying to make Rena Fukiishi the next big thing, she is all over the place. Ive watched some of her material, it has been alright so far, maybe with time she will improve and truly become the next superstar of JAV something we havent had for a while now.

 

[Supmop]

This is a very interesting point you raise. Something that I hadnt really thought about. Its strange really as a fan of football/soccer I always notice how the top clubs try to replace their star players with someone similar. You sometimes see this with movies or bands as well. A franchise replacing an actor with someone similar or someone who is similarly capable, or a band replacing a guitarist with some one who has a similar musical style. Its strange that Ive never thought about this cycle of replacing the aging stars when it comes to JAV.

I know in football they are looking and try to promote the next CR, the next Messi, ecc

but it JAV we don't see that because I think they know it won't work

surely JAV fans would like to see the next legend / super star / big thing, but I think we prefer to see them as unique individuals than the next Maria Ozawa, the next Sora Aoi or the next Tina Yuzuki

so the talent scouts prefer to search for new pretty, sexy girls with high sex appeal than girl who looks like Maria Ozawa, Sora Aoi or TinaYuzuki

 

[blah13]

I know in football they are looking and try to promote the next CR, the next Messi, ecc

but it JAV we don't see that because I think they know it won't work

surely JAV fans would like to see the next legend / super star / big thing, but I think we prefer to see them as unique individuals than the next Maria Ozawa, the next Sora Aoi or the next Tina Yuzuki

so the talent scouts prefer to search for new pretty, sexy girls with high sex appeal than girl who looks like Maria Ozawa, Sora Aoi or TinaYuzuki

I get what you are saying, but take football for example,CR was supposed to be Beckams replacement and Messi Ronaldinhos. What Im saying is that initially these tags of " the next..." are given to newcomers until they carve out their own space.

 

[Blade Runner]

This is a very interesting point you raise. Something that I hadnt really thought about. Its strange really as a fan of football/soccer I always notice how the top clubs try to replace their star players with someone similar. You sometimes see this with movies or bands as well. A franchise replacing an actor with someone similar or someone who is similarly capable, or a band replacing a guitarist with some one who has a similar musical style. Its strange that Ive never thought about this cycle of replacing the aging stars when it comes to JAV.

After reading your post however ive been looking at a lot of stuff and wonder why there hasnt been anyone who has had the impact of that the JAV stars a few years ago seem to have had. I look at the releases across studios and wonder why that is? Have we been spoiled with choice? To go back to a comparision with sports, when a young player enters the scene most fans are very patient with the youngster in the hopes that one day he will fulfill his true potential, porn being about instant gratification we obviously dont have the same patience with new comers. On the other hand I do think that the studios are desperate to create the next big thing. Even though I dont much care for her it feels like the last hugely popular JAV star was Julia. Over the last few months it seems like various studios are trying to make Rena Fukiishi the next big thing, she is all over the place. Ive watched some of her material, it has been alright so far, maybe with time she will improve and truly become the next superstar of JAV something we havent had for a while now.

If JULIA is the prototype JAV superstar, the industry is in trouble. JAV doesn't need another replicant. It needs performers.

 

[blah13]

Couldnt agree with you more Blade Runner, like I said Ive never been a fan of hers. But it certainly seems like she is very popular among a lot of JAV fans. Are there any performers that you like in particular?

 

[Blade Runner]

Couldnt agree with you more Blade Runner, like I said Ive never been a fan of hers. But it certainly seems like she is very popular among a lot of JAV fans. Are there any performers that you like in particular?

I prefer Cougars/MILFs (jujuko).

My faves are:

Maki Hojo
Marina Matsumoto
Reiko Kobayakawa
Hisayo Nanami
Ayumi Shinoda
Ai Himeno
Rei Kitajima
Shinobu Igarashi
Maki Tomada, the Return
Kyoko Nakajima
Kotone Amamiya
Yui Hatano
Yu Izawa

Next Gen
Kana Miyashita-there is always an exception

 

[Blade Runner]

StageNinja47 and Supmop mentioned new actresses need time to build a fan base. A new actress has to hit a certain level of sales with her either first or second movie. If below averages sales continue then studio's next step will be changing her stage name to prop up sales.

 

[pikuseru]

Wow, Blade Runner made a Blade Runner reference. Didn't expect that at all.

I mostly only watch "fetish" JAVs that needs more loli listed, like 90% of my JAVs are bukkake. I guess they are harder to find now, especially bukkake. A lot of series have died off, including my favourite series, the News Anchor Bukkake from Rocket. It seems like most of my videos are from 2010-2014. It seems like it's a been while since a true classic bukkake video. Last one maybe was STAR-598 with Iori Kogawa.

I am usually impressed with the natural performance of JAV idols. I have no complaints there. But the true test of performance is r*** scene. Those require very skilled actresses. They are not always convincing, even in JAV, especially more recently. It does seem likethe "classic" actresses (~10 years ago) put more effort into performance, even for non-r*** scenes, but that's just my impression based on what little I've watched. Maybe with the reduced mosaic, they don't have to compensate with acting as much anymore.

 

[Supmop]

I get what you are saying, but take football for example,CR was supposed to be Beckams replacement and Messi Ronaldinhos. What Im saying is that initially these tags of " the next..." are given to newcomers until they carve out their own space.

nope, they are different type, Beckham was a crosser, while CR is more speedy, dribble, goal scoring type
the similiarity between them is they used to wear Man Utd iconic number 7

yeah, I know some fans would like to say newcomers as "the next ...", but most of us and the industry itself don't think that way

I'm totally agree with Blade Runner : JAV doesn't need another replicant. It needs performers.

I understand what you mean, but from what I've learned JAV people are trying to give new fresh girls, I'm sure they have study the market, and they know Maria Ozawa's replica will not bring them fortune

 

[Supmop]

I prefer Cougars/MILFs (jujuko).

My faves are:

Maki Hojo
Marina Matsumoto
Reiko Kobayakawa
Hisayo Nanami
Ayumi Shinoda
Ai Himeno
Rei Kitajima
Shinobu Igarashi
Maki Tomada, the Return
Kyoko Nakajima
Kotone Amamiya
Yui Hatano
Yu Izawa

Next Gen
Kana Miyashita-there is always an exception

all of them are and was great performers

cougars are awesome

would like to add : Reiko Nakamori and Nozomi Sasayama, Aki Sasaki

 

[Blade Runner]

nope, they are different type, Beckham was a crosser, while CR is more speedy, dribble, goal scoring type
the similiarity between them is they used to wear Man Utd iconic number 7

+1

yeah, I know some fans would like to say newcomers as "the next ...", but most of us and the industry itself don't think that way

+1

 

[StageNinja47]

I get what you are saying, but take football for example,CR was supposed to be Beckams replacement and Messi Ronaldinhos. What Im saying is that initially these tags of " the next..." are given to newcomers until they carve out their own space.

I agree that you can exactly replace one Jav legent with some new random jav idol that you think is the next big thing. But it seems that part of the problem is that the big studios aren't producing any of the new jav idols like before. Most of the current popular jav idols seem to be popping out in the smaller labels and studios only to be miss manage and promoted when the larger label sign them.

 

[StageNinja47]

If JULIA is the prototype JAV superstar, the industry is in trouble. JAV doesn't need another replicant. It needs performers.

I really like Julia and personally prefer busty JAV idols, but one thing that I really enjoy that JAV compare to USA porn is that their seems to be a wider variety of body type and personalty of girls. Thats why i hope that Julia isn't the prototype for jav studios. I really enjoy the different types of girls.

 

[Casshern2]

Thats why i hope that Julia isn't the prototype for jav studios. I really enjoy the different types of girls.

Absolutely!

 

[Supmop]

I really like Julia and personally prefer busty JAV idols, but one thing that I really enjoy that JAV compare to USA porn is that their seems to be a wider variety of body type and personalty of girls. Thats why i hope that Julia isn't the prototype for jav studios. I really enjoy the different types of girls.

its true, I think the same too, JAV is have wider variety of video genres & themes, and wider variety of body type and personalty of girls as well

its make JAV looks more colorful

 

[Supmop]

I agree that you can exactly replace one Jav legent with some new random jav idol that you think is the next big thing. But it seems that part of the problem is that the big studios aren't producing any of the new jav idols like before. Most of the current popular jav idols seem to be popping out in the smaller labels and studios only to be miss manage and promoted when the larger label sign them.

the fact is the past few years most of the popular girls are freelancer, and started their career as a freelancer too, the last 3 best actress winners are freelancer, and current top 4 : Aika, Hibiki Otsuki, Saki Hatsumi and Aki Sasaki are freelancer

so I agree with you big studios aren't producing starlet like before, most of them only have short career in AV or failed to reach the top spot