is porn star really enjoy ?

[headcrusher]

Anything you see in a video is "made for the video". So the girl is acting, even in those amateur looking movies. They think about what their audience want to see. If the girl doesn't say anything during 60min, nobody would buy it.

Same could be said with the scenes from other series the same actresses perform but they don't enjoy the same. Or some videos from the same series where the actress doesn't "act" like that. And as I said in this thread (or in another, idr) in some scenes where there are 2 actors we can see how the actress is closer to the orgasm with one actor than with the another.

I agree the actresses perform, but there are things that are difficult both to fake and to hide for so long, and after watching at least 20 videos from BLOR I really think the reactions aren't faked, at least not too much.

 

[smallbird]

The most important skill for a porn star is the ability to hold back tears.

 

[intrepid8]

Everything is still planned.

but remember that actors are old and ugly, there is no "feelings" between the actor and the actress (they don't know each other), they have to think about how the scene look, ... So, not the best conditions to have a great time.

When you read girls saying that they were crying right after the shooting, yeah, I doubt they had the time of their life minutes before lol.

This might be true some (or even much) of the time but you need to stop talking in absolutes. There are plenty of examples I can think of where there are clearly good relationships between the participants and the director and genuine, unscripted moments of spontaneity.

 

[JAVinsight]

They do enjoy pleasure [+earn money], preferred partner, kind of work they interested in, etc. they mostly stick to work environment & requirement.
Physic only don't make sexual pleasure, the brain plays major role. so, they too as well.

 

[headcrusher]

Those red and sweaty faces... there are a lot of things you can fake, but I feel this is not one of them.

 

[maload]

i think jav can do fake sweaty faces. with not much to try .
of course they can do " no sweaty faces. no sweaty body at all " too

 

[intrepid8]

Okay, porn isn't rocket surgery. Some people get together to shoot footage of sex. Many of them like sex enough to probably think that it's easy money.

A subset probably just treat it completely as a means to an end and get minimal or no enjoyment from it. It's possible some are coerced or desperate enough and hate it entirely.

Most people don't "choose" to work long term doing things they literally can't stand unless the money is too good to turn down.

There's enough on screen evidence and behind the scenes footage for me to assume that in general the JAV community of actors has decent camaraderie and a lot of the participants like each other, trust each other and have a good time banging for a living.

Maybe you'll reach a different conclusion if all you watch is abuse and humiliation titles with no behind the scenes footage? I suspect people's expectations of the industry are colored by the genres they watch as much as anything.

Either that or the only way some consumers can justify watching porn to themselves is by being sold on the idea that the participants like making it. This is mostly immaterial to me personally other than to say I would refuse to watch anything I knew in fact to be sexual abuse - because I'm at least masquerading as a moderately decent, ethical human being.

That being said I prefer titles that display real (or well faked) chemistry and affection between actors when the genre allows it. I'm in it for sensuality as well as the sex.

If an actress makes porn, doesn't enjoy it, isn't coerced into it and then bitches about the industry, I say help fix it or leave and get another fucking job.

Bottom line, they're actors who act but that doesn't mean there's nothing "genuine" captured in the performances.

 

[maelstrom9999]

I would assume most of these women are the type who had plenty of sex before they got into porn, which made them broad minded, i.e. liberal, about sex, or else they would never have gotten into porn in the first place. And of course the usual reason for having lots of sex is because you like sex. So in general these women are probably the types who like sex, perhaps moreso than the average woman.

But on an actual porn set, you've got hot lights on you, lots of people standing around, director is giving instructions to you while you're in the throws of intercourse, telling you to move just a little to the left so the camera catches your breasts jiggling while you're getting fucked, then stops and starts, your makeup and hair must be touched up. Or you stop to wait because the next guy up in the blowbang is flacid and has to jack himself, which is often edited out or off screen.

All of that is not conducive to an enjoyable sexual experience. Porn is a business, and porn sets are a workplace. And specifically, these women are actresses. So I assume that most enjoyment you see on screen, including, but not limited to, the orgasm, is faked. And that is just fine. I wouldn't criticize an actress in a mainstream movie who cries convincly on screen because she wasn't actually sad. I'd say, wow, you did a really good job of convincing me you were sad. It's called good acting.

 

[headcrusher]

i think jav can do fake sweaty faces. with not much to try .
of course they can do " no sweaty faces. no sweaty body at all " too

How? It's true that the BLOR rooms are really hot (in both ways lol) but when they start massaging a girl while licking her pussy and her face and chest turn red... that only means one thing. Also you can see how's girl-dependant. If I'm not mistaken in each BLOR movie there are 2 scenes. If you see the girl getting a flush in the first scene it will be the same in the second scene. The same if she doesn't get it in the first scene.

I'm super sceptical with JAV but come on... after some years they aren't even able to produce a decent fake creampie. You see in every single scene how as soon the actors gets his dick out the same amount of white cream. Every single time. So it's not like now I'm gonna believe they are capable of faking sex flush...

 

[longtimefan]

I read an interview once with American pornstar of the 90's, Asia Carrera. She said she cums 90% of the time on screen. But she also says, based on her conversations with other women in the industry, the rest cum 0-10% of the time. I don't really think it's going to be any different based on the nationality or culture of the performer, so that should be a pretty fair guide.

2 different performer of different nationality....


same facial expression & body movement...


There is possibility these 2 falls under the 0-10% group or perhaps they are graduates of the same school of performing arts?

 

[ding73ding]

There is possibility these 2 falls under the 0-10% group or perhaps they are graduates of the same school of performing arts?

IMHO it's a bit of both. Of course, it's the boring, waffling answer no one wants. Mainly I just don't care. Is it acting or real sensation/pleasure/orgasm? I don't care as long as it's convincing enough.

Primarily we tend to receive what we expect, in the age of the interweb. Like who has natural breasts, female ejaculation or orgasm. If the fans like a certain kind, then we get to see more and more similar kind. I think for at least some of the performers it can get blurry, is she moaning and spasming because of her body or because the fans want this performance? I think some of them can't even distinguish the difference as she's doing it.

BTW, I have not been watching Western porn for many years, these two clips of yours are pretty good! Can you share the performer names and titles where I can find some full scenes/titles?

 

[headcrusher]

IMHO it's a bit of both. Of course, it's the boring, waffling answer no one wants. Mainly I just don't care. Is it acting or real sensation/pleasure/orgasm? I don't care as long as it's convincing enough.

Primarily we tend to receive what we expect, in the age of the interweb. Like who has natural breasts, female ejaculation or orgasm. If the fans like a certain kind, then we get to see more and more similar kind. I think for at least some of the performers it can get blurry, is she moaning and spasming because of her body or because the fans want this performance? I think some of them can't even distinguish the difference as she's doing it.

BTW, I have not been watching Western porn for many years, these two clips of yours are pretty good! Can you share the performer names and titles where I can find some full scenes/titles?

The blonde girl is Samantha Rone. She was one of my favs when I used to watch western porn.

About the topic, I think there are things the actress can fake thanks to her acting skills, like moans or pleasure face expressions, while there are other which not. For example in those 2 gifs we can see chest and face blush, strong spams, hard pleasure expression...
Sure, there are actresses who can fake those things at the same time, but I prefer to use use Occam's razor. Literally professional fuckers who are young, attractive and fit. If they aren't able to provoke an orgasm who's gonna do it? Me?

 

[headcrusher]

Fae blush it's just because they are filming for a "long" time, doing cuts, re-doing something from another angle, and with freaking hot studio lights. The rest can be fake easily. As long as you don't overdo it, it's the only thing asked to be a porn actress lol.

Then I'd like to know why the flush or those spams are always "performed" by the same actresses...

 

[intrepid8]

This thread seems mostly played out at this point to me.

Anyone who believes that most actresses in most movies are having the time of their lives is probably deluded.

Anyone who contends that there are no titles where actresses aren't at least temporarily caught up in the moment, actually climaxing (or at least enjoying the sex) and don't need direction probably has an agenda.

The rest of us can presumably cite (admittedly rare) examples where it seems more than likely that the actress(es) are enjoying themselves and taking minimal to no direction. Doesn't have to be an entire film or even a complete scene.

It's a film - obviously there's a plot, scenario or overarching theme and directors are going to work towards that vision. That doesn't mean the work has to be totally void of spontaneity and improvisation.

The only thing left in my mind is to provide examples and let the naysayers take their shot at "proving" the staging of the scene.

 

[longtimefan]

BTW, I have not been watching Western porn for many years, these two clips of yours are pretty good! Can you share the performer names and titles where I can find some full scenes/titles?

1st gif: Samantha Rone from Best New Starlets 2015 - Scene 2

2nd gif: Manami Aoi from FC2PPV-1311003 (EBOD-239) - final scene

 

[maelstrom9999]

Since the thread got bumped, one thing I notice that is different between JAV and western in relation to female orgasms is that in JAV, the women almost always do the body shaking, be it faked or real. Where in western, they rarely do that. In fact, it's harder to tell when they're supposed to be cumming in western porn for that reason. All they really do is moan louder, if that.

I think that actually portraying female orgasms is not as big a priority in western porn as it is in JAV. They don't seem to care as much whether you as the viewer thought you witnessed one or not.

 

[headcrusher]

Since the thread got bumped, one thing I notice that is different between JAV and western in relation to female orgasms is that in JAV, the women almost always do the body shaking, be it faked or real. Where in western, they rarely do that. In fact, it's harder to tell when they're supposed to be cumming in western porn for that reason. All they really do is moan louder, if that.

I think that actually portraying female orgasms is not as big a priority in western porn as it is in JAV. They don't seem to care as much whether you as the viewer thought you witnessed one or not.

I concur...

JAV really focus on giving pleasure on women. Well, I correct it: JAV really focus on women "feedback".
I wonder how many men don't know how to fuck because they've seen too much porn . But it's ridiculous. The way movies are plotted is totally deformed because directors give priority to what you can see in the screen... but in a bad way, being the guy just a kind of sex robot.
The best example is the huge proportion of facials vs creampies. People really think cumming in a face is hotter than cumming deep inside the woman while the two sweating bodies are touching? I doubt it. But the former gives you shots of the girls face hiding the guy...
And like that you can find a ton of examples.

 

[twenie]

"Western porn" (actually I mean American) still often features bitchy women who shout "Yeah, yeah, fuck me!" which is a total turn off, and not to mention that the guys are often jacked and only cum right at the end so the whole sex scene is more like a sweaty workout LOL. I can't get a boner to that, maybe would be good to play in my living room (when I have a huge flat screen TV) because their production value is often good so it's just nice to look at.

Now their ametuerish productions are sometimes the opposite and more akin to reality but they lack the production value. When I think about it, American porn excels in production value and you can even find them in 4k. Sadly JAVs have this censoring which becomes a huge distraction the higher you go in resolution and screen size.

Returning to the main topic, I do believe that some girls enjoy performing, for example like Nisaki Nakamura in KV-203 (she becomes like more intoxicated the longer she performs in that movie lol). Another one would be Konno Hikaru (found in KV-198 from the same studio), who always shows emotions in all of her movies. If the girls like to get close to the guys (and not just at the hips, but initiate kissing, hugging, and the like), then I like to think that they enjoy what they do.

 

[headcrusher]

So damn true ! And also how to please a woman. When I see how many still think "wow, she enjoys it, she's squirting" while :
1/ it's a JAV movies, so she just follows the script
2/ She's peeing.

Well with this thing I think it's real... at least in the cases I know. It's just that only a really small part of women "ejaculate" (or whatever is that) that way. Yesterday when cleaning my HDDs I saw the folder of an actress (idr her name lol). This girl can squirt... and pretty much in every video they made her squirt. Several times per scene.
There's no way the urethra can expel the amound of liquid some actresses squirt.

But also the woman doesn't need to squirt to get pleasure or something like that.

 

[twenie]

...
Some are better actress than others.

Yes, but I'm in the "no acting camp" like "Director HAMAR" (his works were also resold and rebranded by 1pondo/dreamroom/etc. back then). He shoots pro-am videos where there's no acting, just him having sex with a JAV actress.

Fortunately, he has a pornhub page today and even writes about it:

I am a Japanese porn director"HAMAR", I've always been committed about porn works and I hate acting. What I want to see is the real sexual appearance of the woman. I think that my way of thinking is heresy, but I think that the real attraction of SEX is "do it seriously, feel it seriously". I think that only people who understand want me to see my work.I plan to send a video from my pornhub that I personally shot and saved. Please have a look once! I would be happy if you notice that it is a special video work that does not exist anywhere.Thank you.

I think interestingly, this could be a genre itself where there's ironically just very small amount of directing by a director.