JAV Really Underage? Appearing So…

[maguro861]

Couple of recent torrent posts have been of stuff that is very uncomfortable (at least for me). I may be posting this in the wrong section, so please don't flame me and please advise. The post today of PTOM-009 is one.

Is anyone vetting the ages of these girls. I dont have any interest in anything that appears to be U18. I tried to research the girl in this DVD but could not verify anything. Another board has a stronger stance on this stuff. Appreciate any constructive comments. Thanks.

 

[fwildly]

First of all, this is the wrong section to voice your concerns.

Secondly, I just took a look at that video or at least its cover. Didn't download as its not to my taste. I don't think any 'vetting' is needed. She's likely over 18. They won't openly sell such DVDs online if those girls weren't. Japan did pass such laws some time back.

The Japanese just have a tendency to look younger than their actual ages.

 

[auriga]

Long time lurker here.

I just took a look at the "other board" you were referring to - assuming we have the same place in mind - and well, they also have PTOM-009. In fact, the thread is over 4 years old.

You have to accept the fact that part of the Japanese porn industry markets girls of legal age as "underage." Forget IVs; they even have mainstream and legal AVs (read: hardcore) dedicated to this fetish. To echo what fwildly said, the fact that the DVD is being sold openly should be enough of an indicator of the girl's age.

 

[snootch]

A quick google search on PTOM-009 shows it's being sold on Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B005UKESI0?ie=UTF8&redirect=true) so it's really safe to say it's not CP. There are flat chested adult women in the world.

 

[desioner]

No need to do research. If it's got a barcode and is for sale it's legit +18. Most boards are anti CP, and we are as well. This is safe buddy. It's just part of the loli genre. I might recommend you look into the milf genre a bit more. Can't go wrong with them!

 

[vietbub]

A lot of American porn has girls that look underage also (look up
Piper Perri)

 

[leebar]

I appreciate maguro861 posing the question, as well as the informative, emotionally measured, responses. One body type I look for is flat-chested with rounded hips and ass, but definitely not loli. Of course those searches bring up a lot of under18-looking actresses, so it's always an uncomfortable process. Thanks to everyone for posting some straight info.

It's also uncomfortable knowing some agency is recording all this, and if I'm ever on the "wrong" side of something political and get publicly involved, someone can fabricate a terrible story that will shut me up.

 

[Supmop]

I never found real U18 performer in legal JAV, those loli are 18+ who look younger than their age

 

[galactus]

Sure wish we could have a discussion beyond, "all legal porn is a-ok". I always feel like any comments I make are a total buzzkill and people that don't like to have their fetish maligned will get pissy.

But, I don't care about that actually.

So, if the thought-police are upset about the idea of CP churning in the "real" pedos head, how about the idea of the fantasies people have about 18 year olds that
look indistinguishable from under 18 yr olds? Clearly there are many regular folks and authorities that wish they could stop that because it's essentially getting around the idea of porn that feeds the fantasies of the degenerate pedo lover, right?

I wonder what goes through the mind of the true pedo, the loli-lover, and semi-pedo that might imagine the legal immature girl is less than 18. What sort of justification do they have for their consuming this product?

If it were somehow irrefutable that even adult aged loli actresses indirectly or directly contributed to pedo activity or CP, would the fans of the legal stuff feel shame, guilt or even stop watching?

Just throwing it out there for discussion.

 

[auriga]

Underaged-looking girls aren't my thing, but let me take a crack.

If it were somehow irrefutable that even adult aged loli actresses indirectly or directly contributed to pedo activity or CP, would the fans of the legal stuff feel shame, guilt or even stop watching?

To answer your question: I doubt it.

But even if it were true how do you regulate loli porn? At the end of the day age is the only objective measure you have; regulate the appearances of the actresses (and actors, for that matter) and you set the stage for multiple legal precedents that you might as well declare all porn illegal. That is, unless you can objectively define and measure an actress' loli-ness (or an actor's shota-ness or whatever).

 

[CodeGeek]

I'm wondering if it isn't the same with other genres of porn/JAV. Like r***. Of course that r*** in the movies is all acting and so. But can't you say the same about that?
But I guess also some other genres - or even porn in general - are problematic, especially for the ones who are not mentally stable. Same like computer games and some other things.

EDIT: I'm not a loli fan at all. I prefer big breasts and also okay with mature women - means if they are not too old and still look good. Like Miwako Ikeda aka Ayumi Shinoda.

 

[Supmop]

I'm wondering if it isn't the same with other genres of porn/JAV. Like r***. Of course that r*** in the movies is all acting and so. But can't you say the same about that?
But I guess also some other genres - or even porn in general - are problematic, especially for the ones who are not mentally stable. Same like computer games and some other things.

EDIT: I'm not a loli fan at all. I prefer big breasts and also okay with mature women - means if they are not too old and still look good. Like Miwako Ikeda aka Ayumi Shinoda.

we're the same, I prefer big breasts and dislike girl who look like children

I think the problem if used real underage performers, I dislike loli and I don't understand people who like it, but I don't againts it as long the performers are 18+, don't exploit underage child

 

[needs more loli]

Because they are so cute and innocent.

 

[galactus]

Thanks to all that responded to my honest curiosity on this subject. I hope I'm not coming across as holier-than-thou.


TL;DR : Is the CP viewer to blame for what they enjoy? If our favorite entertainment became similarly abhorrent to society, could we stop enjoying it?


IIRC, in American porn there was at least for a time some level of censorship, perhaps self-imposed perhaps regulated, where you couldn't dress up an actress to look like a child or teen. Not sure about all the details, but perhaps this was around the time of the Max Hardcore scandal. So, there is some precedence for even the idea of portraying sex with a minor in a movie used for sexual entertainment being against moral standards.

I don't have any personal puritanical leanings when it comes to sexual matters, so I don't think there should be a thought police of any sort, however, for my own growth and understanding of what I might be capable of, I want to know if I and my peers think we could or should change our habits if it turned out that what we engaged in was demonstrably bad for society.

If it turns out that we could not turn off our desire to watch whatever particular fetish we have that currently is in no way illegal and certainly never would be considered so in the future, turned out to be an extremely negative influence on society ( humor my hypothetical example please ). And this fetish was now felt to be as bad as CP is now, would you be able to stop? Would you stop enjoying it if you saw it?

So, while I certainly don't condone the creation of real CP, what does it say about our condemnation of those that enjoy watching it, if it takes to the point where they couldn't stop enjoying the idea of it unless they went through something like psychological conversion of their sexual desires? I like a nice ass and I just can't imagine ever NOT liking a nice ass! What if in a hypothetical bizarro world society Nice Big Ass videos became as taboo, frowned upon, and as illegal as CP? How in the world could you turn off that mental faucet? It's like being gay, is it not? For those that have a strong sexual attraction to whatever they are attracted to, there is no realistic way they can be expected to turn off how their brain processes that stimulation, right?

Thanks again, for the earlier responses. I figure this isn't a topic you can bring up safely in our disturbingly politically correct society, so I am asking my brethren here for their insights.

Respectfully,

 

[galactus]

Underaged-looking girls aren't my thing, but let me take a crack.



To answer your question: I doubt it.

But even if it were true how do you regulate loli porn? At the end of the day age is the only objective measure you have; regulate the appearances of the actresses (and actors, for that matter) and you set the stage for multiple legal precedents that you might as well declare all porn illegal. That is, unless you can objectively define and measure an actress' loli-ness (or an actor's shota-ness or whatever).

I don't disagree, but if left to those that are offended by it, I'm sure they could think of something and have a panel or organization that could make their best attempt to determine what was acceptable or not. And objective measures are of no interest to those that have an issue with something like this. Surely, they would want to have anyone that enjoys such sinful things to be castrated or worse.

 

[galactus]

we're the same, I prefer big breasts and dislike girl who look like children

I think the problem if used real underage performers, I dislike loli and I don't understand people who like it, but I don't againts it as long the performers are 18+, don't exploit underage child

I'm with you two in regards to Loli not being my thing. However, I think that it's not my place to say that any other human should be condemned for what is tickling their sexual funny bone, as it were. For the smooth running of society I can see why knee-jerk reactions to certain behavior is to be expected, but it is not in our best interest to just ignore the subject and not come to a better understanding of it.

The reason why animals will attempt to procreate with others of their species, in general, is because of an urge they have biologically. For humans, if we didn't have the luxury of post-stone age society to draw from, we could be expected to not use arbitrary lengths of time to determine who we would find sexually attractive or not. We are ultimately animals no different than a shrew or iguana and that there are those that have matured into their 20s and still find high school age students attractive shouldn't be a shock. That humans would still find youthful bodies sexually attractive no matter how old they themselves are is not really hard to imagine. It's just something people are seemingly uncomfortable with discussing, because they don't want to get labelled as a deviant.

The reality is that a nubile can be sexually attractive and we should be honest with each other about it and just make sure that we keep each other from becoming fixated on that to any personal or societal detriment.

 

[galactus]

we're the same, I prefer big breasts and dislike girl who look like children

I think the problem if used real underage performers, I dislike loli and I don't understand people who like it, but I don't againts it as long the performers are 18+, don't exploit underage child

Isn't 18 an arbitrary number? If in some states of the USA and in some other countries the age of consent is 17, then why must display of a sexual act by those that can legally consent be considered disgusting across the border?

I understand why it is done from a legal standpoint since it's basically a matter of convenience. However, if it were the case that the only one state in the union
had an age of consent of 18 and all others were 17, would we still have the limit for performance in porn at 18+? I would assume it to be 17+ if that were the case.

Just throwing that out there for discussion.

 

[Electromog]

But isn't the age of consent in Japan something like 13? By that reasoning it'd be ok for them to make porn with kids that young.
I agree any age limit you set will be arbitrary, but at least you should pick an age where people are likely to realise the consequences should they be in porn, so even 18 may be a bit on the low side. Besides, with the global internet porn, it's a good idea to use the highest AOC in the world instead of the lowest, because the movies will spread to more strict countries.

 

[Supmop]

I'm with you two in regards to Loli not being my thing. However, I think that it's not my place to say that any other human should be condemned for what is tickling their sexual funny bone, as it were. For the smooth running of society I can see why knee-jerk reactions to certain behavior is to be expected, but it is not in our best interest to just ignore the subject and not come to a better understanding of it.

The reason why animals will attempt to procreate with others of their species, in general, is because of an urge they have biologically. For humans, if we didn't have the luxury of post-stone age society to draw from, we could be expected to not use arbitrary lengths of time to determine who we would find sexually attractive or not. We are ultimately animals no different than a shrew or iguana and that there are those that have matured into their 20s and still find high school age students attractive shouldn't be a shock. That humans would still find youthful bodies sexually attractive no matter how old they themselves are is not really hard to imagine. It's just something people are seemingly uncomfortable with discussing, because they don't want to get labelled as a deviant.

The reality is that a nubile can be sexually attractive and we should be honest with each other about it and just make sure that we keep each other from becoming fixated on that to any personal or societal detriment.

I think we must control our behaviour and lust, including to like (sexually) under age children

honestly I feel young girl is more sexually attractive, these day sometimes 14 years old girl can look so sexy, but I make rule for my self, I will not screw girl younger than 17-18 years old

 

[Supmop]

But isn't the age of consent in Japan something like 13? By that reasoning it'd be ok for them to make porn with kids that young.

I know european and american are more stict about age regulation, but its true that Japanese law allowed 13 years old to perform in adult movies ?

I agree any age limit you set will be arbitrary, but at least you should pick an age where people are likely to realise the consequences should they be in porn, so even 18 may be a bit on the low side. Besides, with the global internet porn, it's a good idea to use the highest AOC in the world instead of the lowest, because the movies will spread to more strict countries.

I agree with this