akiba resident JAV subtitlers & subtitle talk★NOT A SUB REQUEST THREAD★

Taako

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japanese people have high wage and salary ... they dont do sub if they think its waste of their time
or maybe other reason ,,,
Not all Japanese have high wage and salary.
Mostly, they don't do sub is because they don't need subs and they find it awkward.
The movies are intended for them, regardless.
i dont think sextb is good sub at all .

they just kind of download "auto machine subtitle " on the net and they steal some of our members work here too .

so i just comment,,,, keep your money in your pocket better than pay for them .
just my thought ...

the real reason for sub or not is about money .....its not about brand ( company ) at all
I agree
 

bangjoniroma

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Are you using a paid subscription of premiere pro? Or just a cracked one? If you are using a cracked one, where did you get it? So that we can try to use it as well. Thank you very much.
I use cracked one but use adobe cc 2023 or 23 version. I get it download from torrent or other pre activated sites to find this adobe master collection cc 2023 and after install it you can find separately adobe speech to text language pack from google newer version but please use adobe cc 2023 and install it and after that you can trancribe speech to text without download from adobe cloud
 

Electromog

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Is there more before it? X kara Y ni kakete means from X to Y (where X and Y could be locations or dates/times.) So you could check whether they say kara just before the bit you're talking about.

If it's not that, then no clue.
 

maload

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it s nothing about kara ... if my ear dont really bad , she say this word ..

its sound like " jane" or " jame" kakete "

and then seem like the actor ask here with this " jame" kakete " again


i check some " website whom do translating for money " , i dont want to state the name

they translate this to " ready for my semen ? "

i really confused ... wahhh

but thank you .




Is there more before it? X kara Y ni kakete means from X to Y (where X and Y could be locations or dates/times.) So you could check whether they say kara just before the bit you're talking about.

If it's not that, then no clue.

t's not that, then no clue
 

maload

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anybody know what is | " panpan " desune ?? \
i understand a little bit about " desune "
but " pan pan " ???

she said when she play with cock

Massage+Soapland theme
 

Electromog

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One of the meanings of panpan is swollen or bulging, so I guess she is commenting on how big his cock has gotten when erect.
 

maload

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One of the meanings of panpan is swollen or bulging, so I guess she is commenting on how big his cock has gotten when erect.
thank you so much
 

Taako

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anybody know what is | " panpan " desune ?? \
i understand a little bit about " desune "
but " pan pan " ???

she said when she play with cock

Massage+Soapland theme
Wow that's an adjective that's use alot in JAV.
- Pan pan is an adjective usually meant to describe an action such slapping, clapping, etc.
- In JAV it meaning depends on the context of the scene. I have that in my notes as the following...
fucking(fuck, fuck), pump, pump(pumping), bang, bang. It can also describe a bulge or swollen.

In your case, it sounds like she means pumping(pump, pump).

 
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maload

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Wow that's an adjective that's use alot in JAV.
- Pan pan is an adjective usually meant to describe an action such slapping, clapping, etc.
- In JAV it meaning depends on the context of the scene. I have that in my notes as the following...
fucking(fuck, fuck), pump, pump(pumping), bang, bang. It can also describe a bulge or swollen.

In your case, it sounds like she means pumping(pump, pump).

thank you so much
 

Taako

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Guys quick note about a particular pronoun in JAV; "It" and "That".
For example: You might see "Sugoi" = Amazing, Wow, Great, Awesome, It's amazing, That's amazing, etc
When it comes to "It's and "That. Just remember, "It means something close and "That means something away.

But keep in mind, how your subs make you feel, doesn't always has to be grammatically correct:hi:
 
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maload

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o do you know why the actor said " Merry-go-round " ??

he said when he is on the bed at the soup land and the actress is preparing some lotion
and i see some of movies have Merry-go-round in their title too

such as

DDK-160 Abusive Merry-go-round Iroha

 

Taako

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o do you know why the actor said " Merry-go-round " ??

he said when he is on the bed at the soup land and the actress is preparing some lotion
and i see some of movies have Merry-go-round in their title too

such as

DDK-160 Abusive Merry-go-round Iroha

That seem more metaphorical, doesn't it?
It's like going through a series of repeated activities that are quick and/or confusing(fast, painful, soothing) until you reach the end(climax) of the ride.
I don't think you're suppose to sub it, it's a feeling I guess?

If I was subbing it I would say something similar and move on. For example, "It's like a merry-go-round!"
--Or you could try to find something that means "reaching/approaching climax".
--Or make a note in the sub and give a small hint to it. Sometime I add something like that but its most comical.

WHATEVER YOU DO... DO NOT OVER THINK IT.:aaaa:
 

maload

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That seem more metaphorical, doesn't it?
It's like going through a series of repeated activities that are quick and/or confusing(fast, painful, soothing) until you reach the end(climax) of the ride.
I don't think you're suppose to sub it, it's a feeling I guess?

If I was subbing it I would say something similar and move on. For example, "It's like a merry-go-round!"
--Or you could try to find something that means "reaching/approaching climax".
--Or make a note in the sub and give a small hint to it. Sometime I add something like that but its most comical.

WHATEVER YOU DO... DO NOT OVER THINK IT.:aaaa:
o i got it. thank you
 

Taako

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o i got it. thank you
No problem.

Also I had to break my habit of subbing EVERYTHING I hear. Meaning... I understood the words but I was writing them down EVERYTIME the actors stated them, sometimes seconds after they said it again.
For example, if an actress said "Hai" and said "Hai" again... I would sub it. That was making my subs more crowed than need be. And it make for longer reading between subs.

So now... unless a repeated word is important or comes later, I skip it. Because I understand it.

Same rules can sometime be applied for certain conversations.
For example, If an actress ask "Kimochii? "Do you feel good/comfortable? The actor say "kimochi". "I feel good. If the actress ask again, "Do you feel good? You can sub for the actor, "I feel good", "It feels good", or "Yes.

I mean you know what they are saying on their words, right? So... save yourself time on the easier subs imo;)

And... if there's no dialogue, which often their isn't. RESIST THE URGE to add dialogue... unless you want to or you might hear places where it fits. Honestly, I think only @Imscully is better at that kind of stuff with his subs. He has a knack for creating very good dialogue/stories:D
 
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maload

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thank you
No problem.

Also I had to break my habit of subbing EVERYTHING I hear. Meaning... I understood the words but I was writing them down EVERYTIME the actors stated them, sometimes seconds after they said it again.
For example, if an actress said "Hai" and said "Hai" again... I would sub it. That was making my subs more crowed than need be. And it make for longer reading between subs.

So now... unless a repeated word is important or comes later, I skip it. Because I understand it.

Same rules can sometime be applied for certain conversations.
For example, If an actress ask "Kimochii? "Do you feel good/comfortable? The actor say "kimochi". "I feel good. If the actress ask again, "Do you feel good? You can sub for the actor, "I feel good", "It feels good", or "Yes.

I mean you know what they are saying on their words, right? So... save yourself time on the easier subs imo;)

And... if there's no dialogue, which often their isn't. RESIST THE URGE to add dialogue... unless you want to or you might hear places where it fits. Honestly, I think only @Imscully is better at that kind of stuff with his subs. He has a knack for creating very good dialogue/stories:D
 
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Imscully

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No problem.

Also I had to break my habit of subbing EVERYTHING I hear. Meaning... I understood the words but I was writing them down EVERYTIME the actors stated them, sometimes seconds after they said it again.
For example, if an actress said "Hai" and said "Hai" again... I would sub it. That was making my subs more crowed than need be. And it make for longer reading between subs.

So now... unless a repeated word is important or comes later, I skip it. Because I understand it.

Same rules can sometime be applied for certain conversations.
For example, If an actress ask "Kimochii? "Do you feel good/comfortable? The actor say "kimochi". "I feel good. If the actress ask again, "Do you feel good? You can sub for the actor, "I feel good", "It feels good", or "Yes.

I mean you know what they are saying on their words, right? So... save yourself time on the easier subs imo;)

And... if there's no dialogue, which often their isn't. RESIST THE URGE to add dialogue... unless you want to or you might hear places where it fits. Honestly, I think only @Imscully is better at that kind of stuff with his subs. He has a knack for creating very good dialogue/stories:D
@Taako Thanks for the kind words.
I recently realized that I have gone a really long time without actually completing a subtitle project.
Too long, actually.
Far too fucking long.
I'm actually embarrassed and ashamed that I haven't come thru for some friends who asked for me to complete specific projects.
I intend to do better.
With so many available, I find myself doing a few scenes of a bunch, but then moving on to projects that interest/excite me leaving the others to sit and wait. So....this weekend I created a solution. I created a folder for the top few projects that I'm working on and am committed to finishing them before I move on to another.
It helps that I have a new, kinky and submissive girlfriend.
Here's why.....I hope... and trust...that at least few guys here will be able to understand and maybe even identify to what I'm about to say.

When I am totally single, I tend to look at too much porn for excitement and distraction. We all like sexy porn, but I can tend to dive in too deep for too long....because sometimes I just want to get a nut! I'm in my mid-50s, so the days of a quick one minute wank are long gone.

Now that I have my new submissive...and she is 100% committed to serving my every kinky need, I feel like I'll be able to devote more time to the "art" of creating viable and believable fan fiction that changes the dialog in support of the larger story and character development. Without the need for sexual stimulation, I'll be able to focus on the dialog and completing subs knowing that the new girl will be draining my balls on demand.

Because I know that I am going to have to bang her a few times a week, I'm having to forbid myself from jerking off as much as I normally would.
I'm old....so it's vitally important for me to "save my bullets", so to speak. She's a great woman. Where as some women are turned off by my kinky mind, she actually gets excited by the fact that I am as kinky and experiences as I am. She likes when I tell her my real life stories and when I come up with kinky takes on the ultra-kinky mother-son incest fantasies that I've always preferred. She indulges me in whatever roleplay I might want. She is a free-use submissive, meaning she will suck or fuck me on demand.

I'm a seriously lucky bastard. (There is a downside....she is in great shape...but only a 36-C cup. I've never seriously dated a woman with less than a DD before, so I'm dealing with that negative. In most other ways, however, she's a ten. Brain= 10. Sex drive = 10 Committed submissive =8+and rising (she has limited experience with "formal" BDSM and Dom/sub relationships, so I have to rate her less than a 10 until otherwise proven to be more.)

Anyway....
I also have my entire summer off, so I'll have a bit more time to devote to creative projects.
I'm currently focusing on ROE-123 and GVH-003. ROE-123's actual story has a stupid theme in which her son was "switched at birth" and thus not her actual blood son. So, armed with the DNA results proving they aren't related...even though she raised him...she decides to fuck him.
To me, that's just not believable. I believe it's likely the producers lame attempt to skirt the new anti-incest rules that are being applied to JAV. Having the government approved not real mom fucking her not real son son cake....and eating it too.
My version has the son being the result of a one-night fling/affair that she had with the one man who she truly loved. The man was killed in an auto accident shortly after their one night together....so he never knew she was pregnant....and he wasn't a spouse option if she left her husband. She was never really sure about the boys true father...as it was only one night...so rather than open a wound that no one was aware of...she just hoped that the boy was her husband's natural son, rather than that of her one-time lovers.
As the boy is maturing and getting ready to move away to college....she sees how much he resembles her one true love. He reminds her of him in so many ways that her lust for her former love becomes entangled with her maternal love for her son....and she begins to develop sexual feelings for him.
Wanting....and feeling like she NEEDS to know the truth, she arranges for a secret DNA test.
Well, when she gets the results...as Maury Povich would say....her husband is....NOT THE FATHER!
I'll leave the rest for the fun.

GVH-003 is an extremely hot movie that features a mother who serves her son's sexual needs as a way to keep some form of communication with him. I've modified that to the sex being a new act that starts as an 18th birthday present for him. She's promised him "anything...anything at all", so when he asked for a hand-job on the day he became a legal adult....she felt that she either had to give him what he wanted or risk alienating and losing him even more.

On that note....regarding GVH-003
I need to learn how to use Whisper, but the last few months have been too busy to commit the type of bandwidth necessary to download and learn a new process.
If anyone is wiling to create subs with Whisper (or other software), it would save me a ton of time to have some basic dialog along with the pre-timed lines.
I'd gladly repay the favor if anyone is willing/able to do that for me, I'd gladly repay the favor in kink...I mean kind. :)
Cheers
 
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Taako

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@Taako Thanks for the kind words.
I recently realized that I have gone a really long time without actually completing a subtitle project.
Too long, actually.
Far too fucking long.
I'm actually embarrassed and ashamed that I haven't come thru for some friends who asked for me to complete specific projects.
I intend to do better.
With so many available, I find myself doing a few scenes of a bunch, but then moving on to projects that interest/excite me leaving the others to sit and wait. So....this weekend I created a solution. I created a folder for the top few projects that I'm working on and am committed to finishing them before I move on to another.
It helps that I have a new, kinky and submissive girlfriend.
Here's why.....I hope... and trust...that at least few guys here will be able to understand and maybe even identify to what I'm about to say.

When I am totally single, I tend to look at too much porn for excitement and distraction. We all like sexy porn, but I can tend to dive in too deep for too long....because sometimes I just want to get a nut! I'm in my mid-50s, so the days of a quick one minute wank are long gone.

Now that I have my new submissive...and she is 100% committed to serving my every kinky need, I feel like I'll be able to devote more time to the "art" of creating viable and believable fan fiction that changes the dialog in support of the larger story and character development. Without the need for sexual stimulation, I'll be able to focus on the dialog and completing subs knowing that the new girl will be draining my balls on demand.

Because I know that I am going to have to bang her a few times a week, I'm having to forbid myself from jerking off as much as I normally would.
I'm old....so it's vitally important for me to "save my bullets", so to speak. She's a great woman. Where as some women are turned off by my kinky mind, she actually gets excited by the fact that I am as kinky and experiences as I am. She likes when I tell her my real life stories and when I come up with kinky takes on the ultra-kinky mother-son incest fantasies that I've always preferred. She indulges me in whatever roleplay I might want. She is a free-use submissive, meaning she will suck or fuck me on demand.

I'm a seriously lucky bastard. (There is a downside....she is in great shape...but only a 36-C cup. I've never seriously dated a woman with less than a DD before, so I'm dealing with that negative. In most other ways, however, she's a ten. Brain= 10. Sex drive = 10 Committed submissive =8+and rising (she has limited experience with "formal" BDSM and Dom/sub relationships, so I have to rate her less than a 10 until otherwise proven to be more.)

Anyway....
I also have my entire summer off, so I'll have a bit more time to devote to creative projects.
I'm currently focusing on ROE-123 and GVH-003. ROE-123's actual story has a stupid theme in which her son was "switched at birth" and thus not her actual blood son. So, armed with the DNA results proving they aren't related...even though she raised him...she decides to fuck him.
To me, that's just not believable. I believe it's likely the producers lame attempt to skirt the new anti-incest rules that are being applied to JAV. Having the government approved not real mom fucking her not real son son cake....and eating it too.
My version has the son being the result of a one-night fling/affair that she had with the one man who she truly loved. The man was killed in an auto accident shortly after their one night together....so he never knew she was pregnant....and he wasn't a spouse option if she left her husband. She was never really sure about the boys true father...as it was only one night...so rather than open a wound that no one was aware of...she just hoped that the boy was her husband's natural son, rather than that of her one-time lovers.
As the boy is maturing and getting ready to move away to college....she sees how much he resembles her one true love. He reminds her of him in so many ways that her lust for her former love becomes entangled with her maternal love for her son....and she begins to develop sexual feelings for him.
Wanting....and feeling like she NEEDS to know the truth, she arranges for a secret DNA test.
Well, when she gets the results...as Maury Povich would say....her husband is....NOT THE FATHER!
I'll leave the rest for the fun.

GVH-003 is an extremely hot movie that features a mother who serves her son's sexual needs as a way to keep some form of communication with him. I've modified that to the sex being a new act that starts as an 18th birthday present for him. She's promised him "anything...anything at all", so when he asked for a hand-job on the day he became a legal adult....she felt that she either had to give him what he wanted or risk alienating and losing him even more.

On that note....regarding GVH-003
I need to learn how to use Whisper, but the last few months have been too busy to commit the type of bandwidth necessary to download and learn a new process.
If anyone is wiling to create subs with Whisper (or other software), it would save me a ton of time to have some basic dialog along with the pre-timed lines.
I'd gladly repay the favor if anyone is willing/able to do that for me, I'd gladly repay the favor in kink...I mean kind. :)
Cheers
Cheers to you my friend:cheers:

If ppl don't understand how relationships can take up most of your time and energy than its their fault not yours lol
You seem to have found a nice girl and both u have good stuff in common. Sve your sperm bullets for her hahaha

Indeed I haven't sent out subs and have many unfinish ones. In fact, your method of subbing is vaguely similar to mines.
I get going on a sub and nearly reach the end and lose interest. So I start another sub.
I've tried to stop it but JAV is just too difficult to stop at one movie.

I think once I get a faster computer I can do better. Maybe lol

Anyways take care of yourself and be safe you and your friend and do your subbing when u can.
Bye for now:centil:
 
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Taako

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@Taako Thanks for the kind words.
Anyway....
I also have my entire summer off, so I'll have a bit more time to devote to creative projects.
I'm currently focusing on ROE-123 and GVH-003. ROE-123's actual story has a stupid theme in which her son was "switched at birth" and thus not her actual blood son. So, armed with the DNA results proving they aren't related...even though she raised him...she decides to fuck him.
To me, that's just not believable. I believe it's likely the producers lame attempt to skirt the new anti-incest rules that are being applied to JAV. Having the government approved not real mom fucking her not real son son cake....and eating it too.
But I agree, seems like a lot of trouble to add in the script, but I know skirting the law in Japan is no...cake:eek::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:lol
My version has the son being the result of a one-night fling/affair that she had with the one man who she truly loved. The man was killed in an auto accident shortly after their one night together....so he never knew she was pregnant....and he wasn't a spouse option if she left her husband. She was never really sure about the boys true father...as it was only one night...so rather than open a wound that no one was aware of...she just hoped that the boy was her husband's natural son, rather than that of her one-time lovers.
As the boy is maturing and getting ready to move away to college....she sees how much he resembles her one true love. He reminds her of him in so many ways that her lust for her former love becomes entangled with her maternal love for her son....and she begins to develop sexual feelings for him.
Wanting....and feeling like she NEEDS to know the truth, she arranges for a secret DNA test.
Well, when she gets the results...as Maury Povich would say....her husband is....NOT THE FATHER!
I'll leave the rest for the fun.
Now that's a storyline. You know I wish I could submit a script to one of the studios. I know ROCKET accepts scripts once a year or something. I guess you also have to be a BIG FAN and know Japanese to submit.
Also most directors porn or not, are very ego driven. They can't see someone doing a better job then them.

But my script would be just as dirty and exciting as theirs and not be illegal or warp.

They would love your scripts as it so JAV like, there's no western influence in it at all. But like I said, ego:D
GVH-003 is an extremely hot movie that features a mother who serves her son's sexual needs as a way to keep some form of communication with him. I've modified that to the sex being a new act that starts as an 18th birthday present for him. She's promised him "anything...anything at all", so when he asked for a hand-job on the day he became a legal adult....she felt that she either had to give him what he wanted or risk alienating and losing him even more.

On that note....regarding GVH-003
I need to learn how to use Whisper, but the last few months have been too busy to commit the type of bandwidth necessary to download and learn a new process.
If anyone is wiling to create subs with Whisper (or other software), it would save me a ton of time to have some basic dialog along with the pre-timed lines.
I'd gladly repay the favor if anyone is willing/able to do that for me, I'd gladly repay the favor in kink...I mean kind. :)
Cheers
I have avoided whisper and don't trust it but I know ppl uses. I will leave it there:rolleyes:

Take care always:)
 
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MrSV

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@Taako Thanks for the kind words.
I recently realized that I have gone a really long time without actually completing a subtitle project.
Too long, actually.
Far too fucking long.
I'm actually embarrassed and ashamed that I haven't come thru for some friends who asked for me to complete specific projects.
I intend to do better.
With so many available, I find myself doing a few scenes of a bunch, but then moving on to projects that interest/excite me leaving the others to sit and wait. So....this weekend I created a solution. I created a folder for the top few projects that I'm working on and am committed to finishing them before I move on to another.
It helps that I have a new, kinky and submissive girlfriend.
Here's why.....I hope... and trust...that at least few guys here will be able to understand and maybe even identify to what I'm about to say.

When I am totally single, I tend to look at too much porn for excitement and distraction. We all like sexy porn, but I can tend to dive in too deep for too long....because sometimes I just want to get a nut! I'm in my mid-50s, so the days of a quick one minute wank are long gone.

Now that I have my new submissive...and she is 100% committed to serving my every kinky need, I feel like I'll be able to devote more time to the "art" of creating viable and believable fan fiction that changes the dialog in support of the larger story and character development. Without the need for sexual stimulation, I'll be able to focus on the dialog and completing subs knowing that the new girl will be draining my balls on demand.

Because I know that I am going to have to bang her a few times a week, I'm having to forbid myself from jerking off as much as I normally would.
I'm old....so it's vitally important for me to "save my bullets", so to speak. She's a great woman. Where as some women are turned off by my kinky mind, she actually gets excited by the fact that I am as kinky and experiences as I am. She likes when I tell her my real life stories and when I come up with kinky takes on the ultra-kinky mother-son incest fantasies that I've always preferred. She indulges me in whatever roleplay I might want. She is a free-use submissive, meaning she will suck or fuck me on demand.

I'm a seriously lucky bastard. (There is a downside....she is in great shape...but only a 36-C cup. I've never seriously dated a woman with less than a DD before, so I'm dealing with that negative. In most other ways, however, she's a ten. Brain= 10. Sex drive = 10 Committed submissive =8+and rising (she has limited experience with "formal" BDSM and Dom/sub relationships, so I have to rate her less than a 10 until otherwise proven to be more.)

Anyway....
I also have my entire summer off, so I'll have a bit more time to devote to creative projects.
I'm currently focusing on ROE-123 and GVH-003. ROE-123's actual story has a stupid theme in which her son was "switched at birth" and thus not her actual blood son. So, armed with the DNA results proving they aren't related...even though she raised him...she decides to fuck him.
To me, that's just not believable. I believe it's likely the producers lame attempt to skirt the new anti-incest rules that are being applied to JAV. Having the government approved not real mom fucking her not real son son cake....and eating it too.
My version has the son being the result of a one-night fling/affair that she had with the one man who she truly loved. The man was killed in an auto accident shortly after their one night together....so he never knew she was pregnant....and he wasn't a spouse option if she left her husband. She was never really sure about the boys true father...as it was only one night...so rather than open a wound that no one was aware of...she just hoped that the boy was her husband's natural son, rather than that of her one-time lovers.
As the boy is maturing and getting ready to move away to college....she sees how much he resembles her one true love. He reminds her of him in so many ways that her lust for her former love becomes entangled with her maternal love for her son....and she begins to develop sexual feelings for him.
Wanting....and feeling like she NEEDS to know the truth, she arranges for a secret DNA test.
Well, when she gets the results...as Maury Povich would say....her husband is....NOT THE FATHER!
I'll leave the rest for the fun.

GVH-003 is an extremely hot movie that features a mother who serves her son's sexual needs as a way to keep some form of communication with him. I've modified that to the sex being a new act that starts as an 18th birthday present for him. She's promised him "anything...anything at all", so when he asked for a hand-job on the day he became a legal adult....she felt that she either had to give him what he wanted or risk alienating and losing him even more.

On that note....regarding GVH-003
I need to learn how to use Whisper, but the last few months have been too busy to commit the type of bandwidth necessary to download and learn a new process.
If anyone is wiling to create subs with Whisper (or other software), it would save me a ton of time to have some basic dialog along with the pre-timed lines.
I'd gladly repay the favor if anyone is willing/able to do that for me, I'd gladly repay the favor in kink...I mean kind. :)
Cheers
I PM-ed you regarding GVH-003.
 
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